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Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!)
    #14170948 - 03/23/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i just birthed 8 pf cakes fully colonised with b+ mycelium, they've been sitting fully colonised for a week.
6 of the cakes were definately fine, no contams, however two of them had a greeny but more bluey colour towards the dry verm layer, i'm not talking a lot here i mean a tiny tiny amount. Now i would have thought it was trich straight away but it was more blue than green, and it seemed to be growing in strands the same as the mycelium does, there were litterally only one 2mm strainds of bluey greenish mycelium, one in each of these jars.
I put them in the pan of cold water and weighted them down with the rest of the "definately fine" cakes.
Obviously i am worried that these were contaminated, i had no choice but to weigh them down in the same pan as the other cakes really because it was the only pan i had...and so...i have a couple of questions which i'm sure will be simple for a lot of people on here to answer who are not a noob like me (first grow).
By the way i realise that the verm showin through mycelium can sometimes look the bluey green colour, this was evident in all my jars but i know for a fact the only ones that possible have contams is these two.

I apologise that i have no picks i know this would have made it massively easier but i have no camera.

So, is it possible, has it ever been known for mycelium to have a blueish tint to it?

if it was trich, is the fact that i put those two cakes in the water with the others a big problem?


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14170994 - 03/23/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah! Pics will help! :shrug:

But...if is blueish color than that is just bruising! Usaly caused by misting(too close to the cakes or just your mist is not fine enough)

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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: Perun]
    #14171003 - 03/23/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If its dark green, throw them out asap.


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: Patlal]
    #14171019 - 03/23/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If its dark green, throw them out asap.




Most definitely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(There is no enough exclamation points in the world!) :laugh:


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: Perun]
    #14171030 - 03/23/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks, well i noticed the blueish green colour upon birthing my cakes, which i literally did about 20 minutes ago, so they were not misted they had been in the jars for about 4 weeks...so is it possible to have blueish strands of mycelium (without it being contams) when the cakes are still in the jars/just been birthed?

the fact that these strands were close to the dry verm layer (which wa fully colonised on each jar by the way) does not fill me with confidence. but as i say it was the blueish tint that gives me hope!

it was not "DARK" green by any means, more "very light green/blue". but more blue as i have emphasised haha, oh no i'm worried!!!!


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14171054 - 03/23/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

bruising could be caused by handling of the cake from the time it was birthed, or because of moisture problems...Cakes that are bruised usually will recover in a couple of days! Did u dunk your cakes?

Is the "discoloration" close to injection points? If it is...then i would say contam(from syringe) :frown:


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: Perun]
    #14171076 - 03/23/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no i noticed the odd colour on a couple of strands of mycelium immediately upon sliding those two cakes out of the jars, all eight cakes are currently dunked under cold water with a weight on top. and the colour was near the dry verm layer, not near injection points.


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14171087 - 03/23/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if it was a bluish color you're fine, it was just bruising.


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14171099 - 03/23/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Then it can be bruising...time will tell! :laugh: Just keep your eye on those cakes for next couple of days(it would be good if u could isolate them in a diferent FC(just to be safe))and if its not spreading...your good!


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: Perun]
    #14171320 - 03/23/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks people, i didn't realise that mycelium could bruise? because i thought bruising was caused by psilocybin and i thought that psilocybin was not produced until fruiting, ie it was only found in the fruits?

it was fiberous straids that were the blueish green colour, the mycelium didnt look like it had been "bumped" in any way as it wa not compact in that area, it was a bit "fluffy"; still sound plausible for bruising??

i wish i did have another terrarium i could keep it in but i don't, in fact i'm finishing my shotgun terrarium tomorrow.


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14171397 - 03/23/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Have you tried smelling it? If it smells like mushrooms then you should be fine but pics would really help.


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: Redthumb]
    #14171422 - 03/23/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i know pick would help mate, to be honest its really pissing me off that i dont have a camera, might have to borrow my mates but by then it will be "rollin" time for my cakes. and also, the bit of mycelium with the odd colour i pulled off the cake, i pulled a little chunk out and threw it away, so the colours not there any more. also seeing as though all the cakes are in the pan of water, im not sure which ones had the odd colouring any more.....

hmmmmmm

and oh yeah, i smelt most of the cakes and they smelt almost chemically at first which i thought was odd but then the really mushroomy smell came through and i was reassured. I don't remember if i smelt the ones with this colouring though (i know this doesn't help in my dilemma). But all the ones i smelt had an "after-smell" of total fungusness....


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14171502 - 03/23/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

going to bed "bump" any more info anyone can offer? sorry for the bump, but ill be rolling and putting in terrarium tomorrow after work.....


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14172426 - 03/23/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

try finding a couple 2 litter bottles and make PMPs and isolate the cakes you think may be contamed. Its more work but trust me you'll be happy when your whole grow isnt contaminated.


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: jester1012]
    #14172462 - 03/23/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

q-tip test? rub a q-tip swab on the suspected area, if it rubs off TRICH!! or a mold of some sort. if not bruising.


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14172512 - 03/23/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

OP psilocybe cubensis mycelium contains psilocybin/psilocin which is why you can only buy spores, not cultures.


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: Mushroom Wisperer]
    #14173883 - 03/24/11 01:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks guys, especially mushroom whisperer, i didn't realise mycelium contained psilocybin because i've read before that you should not eat mycelium to try and trip (obviously this must have been for another reason than it not containing psilocybin).
The fact that it does contain it gives me quite a bit of confidence as i'm sure this was more of a blue colour, i now have to decide whether to try and find those two cakes amongst my pan of cakes and isolate them or go with instinct and stick them in my shotgun fruiting chamber.
I'm going to have to decide after work......

just a thought, wouldn't more people seem to know about blue bruising on mycelium and have experienced it more since psilocybin is contained in there? from the replies to this post i almost get the impression it is rare, which you wouldn't expect really.


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14173900 - 03/24/11 02:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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q-tip test? rub a q-tip swab on the suspected area, if it rubs off TRICH!! or a mold of some sort. if not bruising.





this is false outdated info..even the bruising will stain the q-tip


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: biologys]
    #14174567 - 03/24/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

really? cuz when a few of my cakes bruised i did it and it didnt rub off but when they got trich it did :shrug:


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: damnyoumongorians]
    #14276366 - 04/12/11 02:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hi Everyone!

Whats wrong with my cakes??, they don´t seem to produce at all, I´m getting very little mushrooms and very few, this is a picture of my birthing box,



and these are the cakes. I have only picked the ones that you see on the image bellow.



And thats it, what should I do now??, get rid off the small mushrooms
left and clean the cakes and hydrate them again for 24hours and then
put vermiculite again??

Also another question, with the ones that are dried whats the best way
to conserve them??, and how long will they last??


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: Joe2011]
    #14276430 - 04/12/11 03:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

1. Hijacking a thread is a  :nono:

2. Do u have any holes in your FC...it looks like you dont! Your cakes r screeming for some AIR!!! And all of them are bruised... moisture problem most likely...


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Re: Just birthed cakes, possible trich, need advice (quick really!!) [Re: EnterTheMoon]
    #14276633 - 04/12/11 05:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i didn't realise mycelium contained psilocybin...
The fact that it does contain it gives me quite a bit of confidence as i'm sure this was more of a blue colour...

wouldn't more people seem to know about blue bruising on mycelium and have experienced it more since psilocybin is contained in there? from the replies to this post i almost get the impression it is rare, which you wouldn't expect really.




It's not rare. Anyone who uses PF Tek will have seen it, which is why it's so surprising that you had not read about it while doing your research prior to growing.


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