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Toe_Jam
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... COMON WHEN WILL WE KNOW!?!?!?!?
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vjp
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Re: First find? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14170651 - 03/23/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Exact spore sizes will be coming shortly and better pics when my bro gets here with a different camera.
Its definitively not Psilocybe weilii - the spores are far to large.
It fits the description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata "SPORES:(7–) 8–9 (–12) × (5.5–) 6–7 (–8.5) µm, rhomboid or subrhomboid in face view, subellipsoid in side view, thick walled, wall 0.8–1.5 µm thick, yellowish brown, with a broad germ pore at one end and a short appendage at the other."
Does anyone have more information on Psilocybe atlantis spores?
edit: each box is 10um by 10um
Edited by vjp (03/23/11 03:04 PM)
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Ieponumos
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Re: First find? [Re: vjp]
#14170808 - 03/23/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
vjp said:



Exact spore sizes will be coming shortly and better pics when my bro gets here with a different camera.
Its definitively not Psilocybe weilii - the spores are far to large.
It fits the description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata "SPORES:(7–) 8–9 (–12) × (5.5–) 6–7 (–8.5) µm, rhomboid or subrhomboid in face view, subellipsoid in side view, thick walled, wall 0.8–1.5 µm thick, yellowish brown, with a broad germ pore at one end and a short appendage at the other."
Does anyone have more information on Psilocybe atlantis spores?
edit: each box is 10um by 10um
Did you get any gill samples? Also, here's Guzman's text on Psilocybe section Cordisporae
http://www.mediafire.com/?fvia47bfi498kdy
EDIT: ATL is a scelerotia forming species, so here's sect. Mexicanae
http://www.mediafire.com/?fei79f4g5ijg6cd
Edited by Ieponumos (03/23/11 03:26 PM)
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vjp
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No gill samples and thanks for the link.
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phishhead
down to fragglerock...



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Re: First find? [Re: vjp]
#14171081 - 03/23/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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phishhead
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scroll down to workmans post close to the bottom.
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dickenz07
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Soooooooo.....so far until atlantis is ruled out you guys are telling me that there is a very good chance of these being ovoids???????
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fngbronco
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They look like they fit the description of it being sub-ellipsoidal and 6-7um wide but they look to be around the higher end in length. That's a pretty bad ass find whatever it is. I've not seen any pics of the Atlantis with an annulus either.
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dickenz07
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Badass indeed!! and I will be hunting ovoid type habitats down here from this day forward!!! Already found a good location today to hunt as soon as we get some rain...hopefully tonight...I really cant wait to find out...and I am definitely gonna invest in a microscope soon!
CONGRATS GOOBERHACK!!!
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amilibertine
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Awesome, it's crazy. I wonder just how far their range is? I can't wait till the season starts up here
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vjp
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spores rhomboid to subrhomboid in faceview, subellipsoid in side view (8.6 - 11.4) x (5.4 - 7.7)μm 8.55 x 7.01 8.57 x 6.27 9.36 x 5.41 9.60 x 7.43 9.69 x 6.26 9.70 x 6.00 10.31 x 7.33 10.31 x 5.94 10.31 x 7.35 10.62 x 7.11 10.72 x 6.57 10.77 x 6.86 10.91 x 6.29 11.41 x 7.65
cell wall 0.6-1.2 μm
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The Thinker

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1600x (10μm squares)
   
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I'm pretty sure these are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. Macroscopically they are a match and the large spores rule out P. weilii. Psilocybe atlantis is a plausible match in spores, but macroscopically I'd rule this species out.
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vjp
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The spores for Psilocybe atlantis are "Spores: (8)9-10(11) by (5.5)6-6.5(7)"
Several of the spores had a width larger than 7um the largest spore width we found was 7.65.
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Bobzimmer
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Re: First find? [Re: vjp]
#14171888 - 03/23/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Awesome work, Goober, VJP, and Thinker! I'm proud to have just posted in this thread!
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phishhead
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11441721 The more i compare these the more I think they are different. Cap color is spot on but they don't have as prominent of a collar but everything else matches.
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phishhead
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Spore length is close. Spore lengths (7.8)9-10.2(11.5) micrometers
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Kaiser
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The only way to definitively tell that these are ovoids is to do a DNA sequence. I don't know why nobody has suggested that this might be a new species. I just can't imagine that ovoids would grow in GA, it just seems way to far south.
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rhave
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Re: First find? [Re: Kaiser]
#14173303 - 03/23/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is relevant to my interests.
ovoids haven't been recognized as a species for that long, it wouldn't be absolutely ridiculous for their range to be found to extend much further than is currently known.
Ovoids don't form sclerotia do they? If someone manages to cultivate these unknowns that could differentiate them from atlantis.
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weiliigod
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Re: First find? [Re: rhave]
#14177636 - 03/24/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh my god, this is awesome! I will be hunting Ovoid-like habitats from now on! AMAZING finds my friend! Amazing!
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gooberhack



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Awesome!! I am very happy to know what they are AND to know that I extended the range!
Went back out earlier and there were plenty popping up once more with more to come! I can not be more happy!
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