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Toni L
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shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets
#14170426 - 03/23/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am trying to fruit shiitake on conifer´s pellets, anyone can tell me what is growing in the middle? pin, mutant, what is it?
 inoculated on 20-2-2011
Edited by Toni L (03/31/11 03:45 PM)
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14170856 - 03/23/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks like a pin that is slightly mutated to me. I am in no way an expert on growing shiitake tho.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14171334 - 03/23/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks ok to me. Dunk that jar if it looks like its drying out. I get much better results from birthing the cakes.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shroom-jitsu]
#14171408 - 03/23/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you guys for quick answering, I tried to birth it but could not get it out.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14174540 - 03/24/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can actually use toothpicks or skewers as a wood source to great effect in jars. I've used them with great success in a pf-tek shiitake grow. They don't expand when wet, so they dont cause jar-lock. Shiitake really don't seem to need as much wood as people think. I only put 6 or 7 toothpicks-zised skewers in each jar in the grow linked in my sig. I got over a pound of shiitake from 12 jars in just over a month.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shroom-jitsu]
#14175244 - 03/24/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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nice grow log shroom-jitsu! this jar is an experiment with this strain, simply inoculate some pellets and when it was colonized put in the FC, without cold shock and a week or so later appeared these pins. Update:
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: aris]
#14176471 - 03/24/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Without any cold shock or special treatment, I'd say that's a pretty decent strain. I've only worked with a couple though, and unfortunately, never the notorious S75. Some day maybe.
Moving on to something bigger?
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shroom-jitsu]
#14176735 - 03/24/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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shroom-jitsu said: Without any cold shock or special treatment, I'd say that's a pretty decent strain. I've only worked with a couple though, and unfortunately, never the notorious S75. Some day maybe.
Moving on to something bigger?
I´m trying, I have 3 buckets, one with coir and bamboo toothpicks (I just certainly break birthing it), another with straw and another with sawdust briquette of unknown wood that is growing like a charm, in 15 days it was full colonized and 50% barking. It isn´t 75 strain, comes from UK is all I know, I asked to seller and he didn´t tell me nothing relevant
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14177440 - 03/24/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How long did that colonize for? I'm looking at it now at home in much higher resolution and it does appear a bit odd. How is it looking now a few days later?
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shroom-jitsu]
#14177586 - 03/24/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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shroom-jitsu said: How long did that colonize for? I'm looking at it now at home in much higher resolution and it does appear a bit odd. How is it looking now a few days later?
Approximately it takes 2 weeks and another extra week in the FC where it just get thicker. The last pic is from today.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14177640 - 03/24/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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here is a pic take on 16-3-2011
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14177919 - 03/24/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In the future, you'll get better results by keeping the lid on the jar for about a month after full colonization. The whole substrate will turn brown and form a sort of 'bark'. At this time, take your lid off and expose to fruiting conditions. When you expose to fruiting early, mutants often form.
In addition, with conifer pellets, it will help to hydrate them so they fall apart, and then spread in the sun for a week or two to dry out and age. Then, rehydrate and sterilize. RR
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14181050 - 03/25/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: In the future, you'll get better results by keeping the lid on the jar for about a month after full colonization. The whole substrate will turn brown and form a sort of 'bark'. At this time, take your lid off and expose to fruiting conditions. When you expose to fruiting early, mutants often form.
In addition, with conifer pellets, it will help to hydrate them so they fall apart, and then spread in the sun for a week or two to dry out and age. Then, rehydrate and sterilize. RR
for sure I'll do it, now here temperatures are rising to much, so I've exposed prematurely to fruiting conditions. Are mutants safe to eat?
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14191950 - 03/27/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cute looking fruit Toni L. Mutants safe to eat? As safe as any other mushroom. Other than contaminant issues i don't see why you should not it it. You're planning on cooking it right?
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Alkaloids]
#14192059 - 03/27/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes, but as days go by I am less sure. I never eat fresh shiitake, always were dry and I´m anxious. today:
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14194121 - 03/27/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The problem with shiitake mutants is they're mostly all stem with tiny caps. Bear in mind we don't eat shiitake stems. We cut them off and only saute the caps. Thus, if you have a lot of mutants or big fat stems, there's hardly any product for eating.
Below, you'll see shiitake on conifer sawdust. Note the thin stems, and that most of the biomass is in the caps. That's obtained by using a low spawn rate, and a low supplementation rate. There's just enough extra nutrients for colonization, but three months later at fruiting time, just about all that's left is sawdust. RR
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14196735 - 03/28/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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that`s awesome RR! if not too much to ask , which are the spawn and supplementation ratios of those blocks?
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14198126 - 03/28/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I spawn with colonized rye berries at a 1:20 ratio.
For supplementation, each 100 lbs of sawdust(moistened) gets 2 cups gypsum and 4 cups oat or rice bran. This is the amount for 20 five pound substrate bags. Use a complex substrate. In other words, something like 60% various sawdust types, 20% shredded bark, and 20% shredded straw will perform better than supplemented sawdust alone. RR
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14198233 - 03/28/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks a bunch, there are usually no people willing to disclose their professional procedures for nothing, luckily I found one day Shroomery I am going to rate you
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14202955 - 03/29/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14214531 - 03/31/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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This are my first shiitake fruits!

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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14214535 - 03/31/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Congrats!
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14214591 - 03/31/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Evil
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14215519 - 03/31/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I love it! 5 stars!
Edited by shroom-jitsu (03/31/11 03:44 PM)
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shroom-jitsu]
#14215549 - 03/31/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks shroom-jitsu
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14225119 - 04/02/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Super Cool. I haven't seen much work done with conifers!
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: aris]
#14225471 - 04/02/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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In the next season I´m planning to do bulks, I got a 15k. bag of 100% pine pellets, as the test has been fairly well I´ll try to follow RR tips to try to get better results next time(I´m quite noob), now It's too hot here.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14306227 - 04/17/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did this other cake at the same time I did the cake of this thread, but I didn´t birth it until today. For the latter I used less grain spawn, waited to brown and after 5 days cold shook put in my FC. Really do not expect fruits because can´t see pins, but I'll try.
   First cake still in the FC without news, is it normal or should have begun the second flush? Excuse me for my bad english, I hope it can be understood
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14306433 - 04/17/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I love your fruits!  Hope you enjoyed them
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Hacendado]
#14306979 - 04/17/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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very interesting
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Hacendado]
#14306990 - 04/17/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hacendado said: I love your fruits!  Hope you enjoyed them
yes, they were delicious, thanks.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14332587 - 04/22/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Round 2 for the first cake:
 
The second cake still stationary.
23-4-2011
Edited by Toni L (04/23/11 10:33 AM)
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14342767 - 04/24/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Update:

this other remains unchanged, this was inoculated with 1/7 or 1/8 spawn ratio aprox.

25-4-2011
Edited by Toni L (04/25/11 12:05 PM)
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14353786 - 04/26/11 06:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, this is the last update for this cake because it has some green spots on it and and I will throw it.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14354383 - 04/26/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Some good looking fruits you got there brother!
What shiitake strains are you working with? Let me know so I can send you something you do not have with the package to give a try!
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14354667 - 04/26/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don´t know what strain is it, I buyed it from UK on ebay. Thank you, you are so generous bro
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14354678 - 04/26/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are pretty generous yourself brother, many thanks as always
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: EvilMushroom666]
#14434276 - 05/11/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This bitch cake don´t want to fruit I´ve tried everything, cold shook, dunk, dry out... it is in my FC for a month already.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14435077 - 05/11/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's browned but not popcorned. You may have taken it out of the bag too soon?
I don't know if that is the case or what to do if so.
I'm just now looking into shiitake bag culture so I don't really know my way around this. I have years of experience with logs, however.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: debianlinux]
#14436251 - 05/11/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lookin good Toni, some are just bad give it a good spanking and send it outside. I still haven't spawned to bulk yet but the grain looks good and I have expanded it so im ready when I get some time. I am working on a sulfur shelf clone right now. When I'm sure it is clean I will send you a wedge. Trout
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: trout]
#14439835 - 05/12/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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trout said: Lookin good Toni, some are just bad give it a good spanking and send it outside.
I´ll do bro, I´ll give it another spanking for being bad.
Laetiporus sulphureus? is like your avatar? Here it usually grow in carobs and harvested tender and well boiled is very good. You're very generous my friend, soon I´ll receive new samples that I would like to share with you
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
#14441864 - 05/12/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's it. This is the second big cluster I have found and this time I decided to clone it. Got a gallon of good fruit that was wonderful cooked into a cream sauce for pasta, and sauteed with eggs. I haven't even thought about how to grow it yet but I thought I might as well have some in my collection. Check my user galery for a good pick of the first tree covered in fruit. It was a dead oak about 3' in diamater covered half way around for 10'. This one was on oak(living) as well.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Just so I'm clear on this last post, this spawn ratio is specific to conifers, yes?
In reading other posts on shiitake, I've seen spawn ratios of 1:20 using rye berries.
The principle I've read is that shiitake may mutate with high levels of spawn (or high levels of supplement). I know that some softwoods have properties that are resistant to mushrooms, and I wonder if that has something to do with the different spawn ratio here.
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RogerRabbit said: I spawn with colonized rye berries at a 1:8 ratio.
For supplementation, each 100 lbs of sawdust(moistened) gets 2 cups gypsum and 4 cups oat or rice bran. This is the amount for 20 five pound substrate bags. Use a complex substrate. In other words, something like 60% various sawdust types, 20% shredded bark, and 20% shredded straw will perform better than supplemented sawdust alone. RR
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shubrick]
#15706660 - 01/23/12 12:00 PM (12 years, 9 days ago) |
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That spawn ratio is specific for the strain he used, every Shiitake strain behaves differently, is true that all are sensitive to spawn ratio and suplementation but some strains are more sensitive than others like S-75. Here is where each grower have to find the amount of spawn/suplementation that works best for him in his environment, substrate...
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