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shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets
    #14170426 - 03/23/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I am trying to fruit shiitake on conifer´s pellets, anyone can tell me what is growing in the middle? pin, mutant, what is it?

inoculated on 20-2-2011


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
    #14170856 - 03/23/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like a pin that is slightly mutated to me. I am in no way an
expert on growing shiitake tho.


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: EvilMushroom666]
    #14171334 - 03/23/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Looks ok to me.  Dunk that jar if it looks like its drying out.  I get much better results from birthing the cakes.


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shroom-jitsu]
    #14171408 - 03/23/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you guys for quick answering, I tried to birth it but could not get it out.


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
    #14174540 - 03/24/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You can actually use toothpicks or skewers as a wood source to great effect in jars.  I've used them with great success in a pf-tek shiitake grow.  They don't expand when wet, so they dont cause jar-lock.  Shiitake really don't seem to need as much wood as people think.  I only put 6 or 7 toothpicks-zised skewers in each jar in the grow linked in my sig.  I got over a pound of shiitake from 12 jars in just over a month.

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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shroom-jitsu]
    #14175244 - 03/24/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

nice grow log shroom-jitsu! this jar is an experiment with this strain, simply inoculate some pellets and when it was colonized put in the FC, without cold shock and a week or so later appeared these pins.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
    #14175339 - 03/24/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: aris]
    #14176471 - 03/24/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Without any cold shock or special treatment, I'd say that's a pretty decent strain.  I've only worked with a couple though, and unfortunately, never the notorious S75. :frown:  Some day maybe.

Moving on to something bigger?


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shroom-jitsu]
    #14176735 - 03/24/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Without any cold shock or special treatment, I'd say that's a pretty decent strain.  I've only worked with a couple though, and unfortunately, never the notorious S75. :frown:  Some day maybe.

Moving on to something bigger?



I´m trying, I have 3 buckets, one with coir and bamboo toothpicks (I just certainly break birthing it), another with straw and another with sawdust briquette of unknown wood that is growing like a charm, in 15 days it was full colonized and 50% barking. It isn´t 75 strain, comes from UK is all I know, I asked to seller and he didn´t tell me nothing relevant :shrug:


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
    #14177440 - 03/24/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How long did that colonize for?  I'm looking at it now at home in much higher resolution and it does appear a bit odd.  How is it looking now a few days later?


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: shroom-jitsu]
    #14177586 - 03/24/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How long did that colonize for?  I'm looking at it now at home in much higher resolution and it does appear a bit odd.  How is it looking now a few days later?



Approximately it takes 2 weeks and another extra week in the FC where it just get thicker. The last pic is from today.


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
    #14177640 - 03/24/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

here is a pic take on 16-3-2011


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
    #14177919 - 03/24/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In the future, you'll get better results by keeping the lid on the jar for about a month after full colonization.  The whole substrate will turn brown and form a sort of 'bark'.  At this time, take your lid off and expose to fruiting conditions.  When you expose to fruiting early, mutants often form.

In addition, with conifer pellets, it will help to hydrate them so they fall apart, and then spread in the sun for a week or two to dry out and age. Then, rehydrate and sterilize.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14181050 - 03/25/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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In the future, you'll get better results by keeping the lid on the jar for about a month after full colonization.  The whole substrate will turn brown and form a sort of 'bark'.  At this time, take your lid off and expose to fruiting conditions.  When you expose to fruiting early, mutants often form.

In addition, with conifer pellets, it will help to hydrate them so they fall apart, and then spread in the sun for a week or two to dry out and age. Then, rehydrate and sterilize.
RR



:super: for sure I'll do it, now here temperatures are rising to much, so I've exposed prematurely to fruiting conditions. Are mutants safe to eat?

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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
    #14191950 - 03/27/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cute looking fruit Toni L.  Mutants safe to eat?  As safe as any other mushroom.  :wink:  Other than contaminant issues i don't see why you should not it it.  You're planning on cooking it right?


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Alkaloids]
    #14192059 - 03/27/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:biggrin: yes, but as days go by I am less sure. I never eat fresh shiitake, always were dry and I´m anxious.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
    #14194121 - 03/27/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The problem with shiitake mutants is they're mostly all stem with tiny caps.  Bear in mind we don't eat shiitake stems.  We cut them off and only saute the caps.  Thus, if you have a lot of mutants or big fat stems, there's hardly any product for eating.

Below, you'll see shiitake on conifer sawdust.  Note the thin stems, and that most of the biomass is in the caps.  That's obtained by using a low spawn rate, and a low supplementation rate.  There's just enough extra nutrients for colonization, but three months later at fruiting time, just about all that's left is sawdust.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14196735 - 03/28/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:handth: that`s awesome RR! if not too much to ask :biggrin:, which are the spawn and supplementation ratios of those blocks?


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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: Toni L]
    #14198126 - 03/28/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I spawn with colonized rye berries at a 1:20 ratio.

For supplementation, each 100 lbs of sawdust(moistened) gets 2 cups gypsum and 4 cups oat or rice bran. This is the amount for 20 five pound substrate bags. Use a complex substrate.  In other words, something like 60% various sawdust types, 20% shredded bark, and 20% shredded straw will perform better than supplemented sawdust alone.
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Re: shiitake on 100% conifer pasteurized pellets [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14198233 - 03/28/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks a bunch, there are usually no people willing to disclose their professional procedures for nothing, luckily I found one day Shroomery :rockon: I am going to rate you :super:


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