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Polygamy
    #14169863 - 03/23/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So for a class I am reading about mormon polygamy and they claim that polygamy is the celestial rule of God and that when mankind practices polygamy, it will eradicate all social evils, elevate all mankind, and is for the benefit of the entire world.

So if I tell my girlfriend I'm gonna start banging other chicks for the benefit of all mankind do you think she'll be okay with that?

I'm not saying that there is anything inherently "wrong" about polygamy, just that this justification is a bit crazy.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: learningtofly]
    #14169887 - 03/23/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it's also in Islām

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“marry such women as seem good to you, or two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice between them, then marry only one or what your right hands possess: this is more proper that you may not deviate from the right course” (4:3)

Polygyny

“Allāh الله سبحانه وتعالى chooses who we love. الله Puts it in our Soul. Love is in the Soul. All our Souls are a part of a type of “Constellation”. One star cannot count as a Constellation. Each of us have multiple Soul-Mates to make up this “Constellation”. Some people Die alone. It can take up to a lifetime to find even just one of your Soul-Mates within your “Constellation”, let alone three or four. the world is vast, we are far apart."

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Re: Polygamy [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14169894 - 03/23/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd be down to have multiple wives.

I try to be open minded ya know


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Re: Polygamy [Re: propensity]
    #14169908 - 03/23/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think I could handle more than one unsatisfied woman.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14169943 - 03/23/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im lonely i wouldnt mind having "Sister-wives"
but i just dont think it would work
it makes sense
becus a man can give everything to a woman
EXCEPT for the feminine, nurturing care that only a female can offer
but Jealousy in the end is just such a tenacious factor
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Re: Polygamy [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14169965 - 03/23/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

From the books I read in anthropology about polygamist families it seemed like jealousy was the best part for the man - all his wives just kept trying to dish out more pleasure than the other :naughty:

Of course this was in Iraq, so they were subservient as fuck.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: twighead]
    #14171338 - 03/23/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

as a couple we have discussed Polygyny many of occaisions


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Re: Polygamy [Re: learningtofly]
    #14171394 - 03/23/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
So for a class I am reading about mormon polygamy and they claim that polygamy is the celestial rule of God and that when mankind practices polygamy, it will eradicate all social evils, elevate all mankind, and is for the benefit of the entire world.

So if I tell my girlfriend I'm gonna start banging other chicks for the benefit of all mankind do you think she'll be okay with that?

I'm not saying that there is anything inherently "wrong" about polygamy, just that this justification is a bit crazy.





Why is there anything crazy about what they are saying if you consider that humans are one of the only species that is actually monogamous?


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171411 - 03/23/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...humans are one of the only species that is actually monogamous?


Several species are monogamous, it's not too rare a trait in the animal kingdom.


And WTF, you don't think this is crazy: it will eradicate all social evils, elevate all mankind, and is for the benefit of the entire world.

:what:


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171415 - 03/23/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what are you talking about
you must no nothing about beavers, bald eagles, gibbons, black vultures, dik-diks, or even cali mice are monogamous

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Re: Polygamy [Re: Coaster]
    #14171429 - 03/23/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So are red-lored Amazon parrots! :smile:



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Re: Polygamy [Re: Poid]
    #14171442 - 03/23/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Poid said:
Quote:

DHJH said:
...humans are one of the only species that is actually monogamous?


Several species are monogamous, it's not too rare a trait in the animal kingdom.


And WTF, you don't think this is crazy: it will eradicate all social evils, elevate all mankind, and is for the benefit of the entire world.

:what:




I like how you conveniently left out of your quote how I said "one of the only species", would it have been better if I said vast majority?

As far as you saying it's not too rare of a trait, I believe you are taking what you think I didn't say to the next level and making it seem like monogamy in the animal kingdom is common, which infact it is not.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Poid]
    #14171451 - 03/23/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So are red-lored Amazon parrots! :smile:






My uncle has one of these at his house right now and I bet if we hooked it up with a partner and then a different one the next day it would NOT turn it down.  That bird is probably very lonely by now.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171464 - 03/23/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They get depressed when they lose their partners, and it's rare for them to ever acquire a new one--in fact, if I remember correctly, they've never been known to acquire more than one partner in a lifetime


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171466 - 03/23/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just quoted you quoting me.. and said that you left something out when you didn't... how the fuck did I manage that?  Sorry dude, I'm not even on drugs right now.. just been drinking... Did you edit on me.. or am I just losing it?

Edit... yes I know alcohol is a drug.. I just meant that I've been drinking a little, like not drunk.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171472 - 03/23/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here's some interesting information:

Monogamous pairing in animals - Wikipedia
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The amount of social monogamy in animals varies across taxa, with over 90 percent of birds engaging in social monogamy but only 7 percent of mammals engaging in social monogamy.




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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171475 - 03/23/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DHJH said:
I just quoted you quoting me.. and said that you left something out when you didn't... how the fuck did I manage that?  Sorry dude, I'm not even on drugs right now.. just been drinking... Did you edit on me.. or am I just losing it?

Edit... yes I know alcohol is a drug.. I just meant that I've been drinking a little, like not drunk.


Brain farts happen to everyone, don't beat yourself up over it. :brainfart:


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Poid]
    #14171497 - 03/23/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Monogamous pairing in animals - Wikipedia
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The amount of social monogamy in animals varies across taxa, with over 90 percent of birds engaging in social monogamy but only 7 percent of mammals engaging in social monogamy.







I think OP was talking about sexual monogamy, well at least that is what I was referring to.  I doubt a bird would have as much of a problem if its "social companion was out tweeting another bird as would OP's girlfriend if he was with someone else.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171531 - 03/23/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Monogamous pairing in animals - Wikipedia
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The amount of social monogamy in animals varies across taxa, with over 90 percent of birds engaging in social monogamy but only 7 percent of mammals engaging in social monogamy.







I think OP was talking about sexual monogamy, well at least that is what I was referring to.


I don't think that article made a distinction between social monogamy and sexual monogamy (i.e. I think those terms mean the same thing in this article, because I don't see anything stating otherwise). :shrug:


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Poid]
    #14171564 - 03/23/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Poid said:
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DHJH said:
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Poid said:


Monogamous pairing in animals - Wikipedia
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The amount of social monogamy in animals varies across taxa, with over 90 percent of birds engaging in social monogamy but only 7 percent of mammals engaging in social monogamy.







I think OP was talking about sexual monogamy, well at least that is what I was referring to.


I don't think that article made a distinction between social monogamy and sexual monogamy (i.e. I think those terms mean the same thing in this article, because I don't see anything stating otherwise). :shrug:




Hmmm, quite the irony, I was apologetic about not noticing something you had quoted about me and now we run into this.... do you not see where you quoted about social monogamy??  It only mentions the word social like 3 times in one sentence.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171578 - 03/23/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Um, I never said that I didn't notice that 'social monogamy' was quoted, you have misunderstood me; enjoy your brain farts. :brainfart:


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171582 - 03/23/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I guess I see what you are saying, but I suppose that's if we are saying there is no difference between social and sexual monogamy


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Re: Polygamy [Re: biff]
    #14171593 - 03/23/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think I could handle more than one unsatisfied woman.





I could at least handle 4 for sure. More than that and I probably wouldn't sleep very well ever.. and slowly collapse.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171600 - 03/23/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, that's what I was saying--the article makes no distinction between the two concepts, so I'm assuming they're the same thing (at least in the article).


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Poid]
    #14171621 - 03/23/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, that's what I was saying--the article makes no distinction between the two concepts, so I'm assuming they're the same thing (at least in the article).




You're right, in the article I don't think there is the distinction, I guess I was just assuming a difference between the two.  Either way, OP, yes your girl would be pissed if you slammed her best friend, but no polygamy is not that crazy of a concept.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14171651 - 03/23/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The concept itself isn't crazy, how Mormons justify it is, however. :crazy3:


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Poid]
    #14171675 - 03/23/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

John Smith was a genius

he took something socially unacceptable

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Re: Polygamy [Re: Coaster]
    #14171689 - 03/23/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

fisting is god's will too! made a thread in s and r forum and here about it lol


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Coaster]
    #14171860 - 03/23/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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John Smith was a genius

he took something socially unacceptable

and turned it into gods will




That dude must've pulled all kinds of pussy. :female:


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Poid]
    #14172108 - 03/23/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In the name of teh lordz of course :Trollface:


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Re: Polygamy [Re: DHJH]
    #14172151 - 03/23/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DHJH said:
...humans are one of the only species that is actually monogamous?


Several species are monogamous, it's not too rare a trait in the animal kingdom.


And WTF, you don't think this is crazy: it will eradicate all social evils, elevate all mankind, and is for the benefit of the entire world.

:what:




I like how you conveniently left out of your quote how I said "one of the only species", would it have been better if I said vast majority?

As far as you saying it's not too rare of a trait, I believe you are taking what you think I didn't say to the next level and making it seem like monogamy in the animal kingdom is common, which infact it is not.



I am not talking about the commonality of monogamy or polygamy at all, i dont get where you got that from. I'm talking about the mormon justification for polygamy, which includes the fact that they believe (at least Brigham Young did) that women should be completely subordinate to men (in the name of the Lord of course)


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14172615 - 03/23/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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it's also in Islām

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Surah (4:127) Al-Nisa سورة النساء,

“marry such women as seem good to you, or two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice between them, then marry only one or what your right hands possess: this is more proper that you may not deviate from the right course” (4:3)

Polygyny

“Allāh الله سبحانه وتعالى chooses who we love. الله Puts it in our Soul. Love is in the Soul. All our Souls are a part of a type of “Constellation”. One star cannot count as a Constellation. Each of us have multiple Soul-Mates to make up this “Constellation”. Some people Die alone. It can take up to a lifetime to find even just one of your Soul-Mates within your “Constellation”, let alone three or four. the world is vast, we are far apart."

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Re: Polygamy [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14172636 - 03/23/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Polygamy in a lot of ways would make the world better. Polygamy is what weve been used to for thousands of years, monogamy in humans really only popped up around the time of agriculture. Agriculture breeds the need of property. We fought for land and more importantly women.  women became property. marriage was a peace treaty.

for thousands of years weve been at odds with our nature. Why do you think people cheat? Even psychologist try to make it more complicated than it obviously is.

I personally prefer serial monogamy. Im not about to trap myself in a relationship that will more than likely go sour so Id rather enjoy it while its full of love and move the fuck on after it peaks.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14172663 - 03/23/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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are you muslim? asalamalakum.




i was raised Sūfī mūslīm growing up, now i fall in and out of my practices
i am ½ Arab, my Mum comes from Yemen
و عليكم السلام


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14172706 - 03/23/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was muslim for awhile... keyword being was.

just cant vibe with religion anymore.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14173110 - 03/23/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thats interesting. did u go to masjid, & take shahada?


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14173123 - 03/23/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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thats interesting. did u go to masjid, & take shahada?




lol of course, There is one god and Muhammed is his prophet There is one god and Muhammed is his prophet There is one god and Muhammed is his prophet There is one god and Muhammed is his prophetThere is one god and Muhammed is his prophetThere is one god and Muhammed is his prophetThere is one god and Muhammed is his prophetThere is one god and Muhammed is his prophetThere is one god and Muhammed is his prophetThere is one god and Muhammed is his prophetThere is one god and Muhammed is his prophetThere is one god and Muhammed is his prophet

so many fucking times ive said that bullshit in my head.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14173215 - 03/23/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I personally prefer serial monogamy. Im not about to trap myself in a relationship that will more than likely go sour so Id rather enjoy it while its full of love and move the fuck on after it peaks.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14174376 - 03/24/11 06:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im not that deeply religious or spiritually bound
but i would never refer to the Shahādah الشهادة as, that "Sh_t"
i still have a lot of family in Yemen. the ones that are here in america
are very devout. even moreso than the family in the east
my cousins, my age, are married already with children etc...
muslīms & lil muslīms. they look really cute in hijab though :happyheart:
i am the black sheep of the family

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Re: Polygamy [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14175107 - 03/24/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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im not that deeply religious or spiritually bound
but i would never refer to the Shahādah الشهادة as, that "Sh_t"
i still have a lot of family in Yemen. the ones that are here in america
are very devout. even moreso than the family in the east
my cousins, my age, are married already with children etc...
muslīms & lil muslīms. they look really cute in hijab though :happyheart:
i am the black of the family




I fel lwhat your saying, Calling it Shit is probably something I shouldnt share with someone from islam hahaha.

But you gotta be honest sometimes, That was 6 years of something that just left a bad taste in my mouth.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14175304 - 03/24/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i get what u mean
having it shoved in my face all growing up
the pressure from my family
luckily my father is not a religious man
he helped keep a balance

i tried to practice again recently
when i was 1st getting off oxy/h
to keep up with wuḍū & Ṣalāt etc...

it really did manage to help keep my mind off the drugs
but naturally i fell out of it again :sad:

my background is ṣūfī
i still very much enjoy the whirling, chanting
Dhikr & Muraqaba, which is the ṣūfī word for meditation :levitate:

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Re: Polygamy [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14175376 - 03/24/11 11:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I loved Ramadan and Eid. Such a family feeling experience at the mosque. At least for the men lol. I hated the seperation very much.


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Re: Polygamy [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14175422 - 03/24/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Apparently I'm Jewish...

Haven't done many Jewish thangs...

I always got to celebrate hanukkah and christmas every year though,  :awebig:
since my dad is (a non believing) christian and my mom is Jewish


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