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Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild?
    #14169593 - 03/23/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I mean.. Not being seeded by humans, but as a native plant?

I so wonder how the tomato plant behave in the wild.. But I cannot seem to find any info on it.. :frown:


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Gomp]
    #14169597 - 03/23/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not sure. But those plants require a shit ton of water, or they die.


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14170085 - 03/23/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Not sure. But those plants require a shit ton of water, or they die.




I kept one inside in the winter in Norway.. It is a year old now.. And I just got cuttings of it growing!

I hardly watered it.. Just kept it moist..

Still I wonder how they grow in the wild..

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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Gomp]
    #14170313 - 03/23/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im pretty sure they're domestic plants just like almost all of our fruits


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: lovecheese]
    #14170351 - 03/23/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My first year growing tomato plants I didnt clip them and just sort let them grow.
The vines went everywhere and didnt get flowers till way late in the season.

Got a bunch of huge tomato's late August early Sept before the first frost after that they tasted like  :glittershitz:


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: trekie]
    #14170433 - 03/23/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've seen plenty while hunting cubes


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Atlantic Wind]
    #14170605 - 03/23/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Saw some on Hawai'i when I went to the rainbow gathering down there. They were little yellow golf ball sized things when I saw them, someone tasted one and said it was shit.


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Gomp]
    #14170636 - 03/23/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've heard that they're native too south america. I don't know if any truly "wild" ones still exist though, since it's been cultivated for so long.


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: JohnnyZampano]
    #14170650 - 03/23/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Saw some on Hawai'i when I went to the rainbow gathering down there. They were little yellow golf ball sized things when I saw them, someone tasted one and said it was shit.




LOL those aren't tomatoes, they're called horse nettles and they are poisonous.

I'd imagine tomatoes in the wild grow on a vine on the ground and the fruits probably grow on the ground and rot quickly.


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Gumby]
    #14170768 - 03/23/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Tomatoes evolved from nightshade. Many years of cultivation. Nature eats them easily and they can't spread seeds efficiently. You'll never see them in the wild.

Tomatoes were a human creation. :strokebeard:


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: ComputerTekGuy]
    #14170776 - 03/23/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Tomatoes evolved from nightshade. Many years of cultivation. Nature eats them easily and they can't spread seeds efficiently. You'll never see them in the wild.

Tomatoes were a human creation. :strokebeard:



ya tomatoes are related to datura
just like eggplant and tobacco
they used to think tomatoes were poisonous
until one guy ate a bunch of them in front of a huge crowd
they all gathered thinking he was suicidal
but he was just hungry

how do you pronouce "Solanaceae"
ive been saying
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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14180937 - 03/25/11 08:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I've heard that they're native too south america. I don't know if any truly "wild" ones still exist though, since it's been cultivated for so long.




That makes sense..


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Gomp]
    #14180955 - 03/25/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just like apples, the only true "wild" apple trees are found in a mountainous region of China I think it is....
Potatoes, Tjlips, cannibus, all made great via human interaction.
Never though bout maters, cool thread!
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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Coaster]
    #14180988 - 03/25/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Coaster said:
Quote:

ComputerTekGuy said:
Tomatoes evolved from nightshade. Many years of cultivation. Nature eats them easily and they can't spread seeds efficiently. You'll never see them in the wild.

Tomatoes were a human creation. :strokebeard:



ya tomatoes are related to datura
just like eggplant and tobacco
they used to think tomatoes were poisonous
until one guy ate a bunch of them in front of a huge crowd
they all gathered thinking he was suicidal
but he was just hungry

how do you pronouce "Solanaceae"
ive been saying
so-lance-c-eh






Coaster is correct on this one, the myth that Tomatoes where ever truly poisonous stems from that people thought they always where because they are in the nightshade family, and things like the aformentioned horse nettles cause confusion.

Potatoes on the other hand are closer to a human creation. (Aztecs, etc) Raw potatoes are still poisonous, if you ate enough raw potatoes i think like around 10) you could actually die.

Mild, but still technically poisonous

Tobacco will also kill you if you eat it. Most of the Nicotine in smoking gets burned off.


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
    #14180991 - 03/25/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Just like apples, the only true "wild" apple trees are found in a mountainous region of China I think it is....
Potatoes, Tjlips, cannibus, all made great via human interaction.
Never though bout maters, cool thread!
bc




You are absolutely wrong about wild apples.  Go to Ruidoso New Mexico, go to the upper canyon areas, the ruidoso river is lined with small wild apple trees, they are green and sour as hell in the summer, but after the first freeze, about mid sept~1 oct, they are on the ground and really sweet and tasty.  There are goldens in some areas also.  My mother and I often go up and pick up a couple of bags of them off the ground, she makes apple pies from them. 

I've also seen wild rasberries, strawberries, squash, watercress, and asparagus in the southeast new mexico mountains.


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14180995 - 03/25/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I've heard that they're native too south america. I don't know if any truly "wild" ones still exist though, since it's been cultivated for so long.




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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #14181102 - 03/25/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Cannabischarlie said:
Quote:

Coaster said:
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ComputerTekGuy said:
Tomatoes evolved from nightshade. Many years of cultivation. Nature eats them easily and they can't spread seeds efficiently. You'll never see them in the wild.

Tomatoes were a human creation. :strokebeard:



ya tomatoes are related to datura
just like eggplant and tobacco
they used to think tomatoes were poisonous
until one guy ate a bunch of them in front of a huge crowd
they all gathered thinking he was suicidal
but he was just hungry

how do you pronouce "Solanaceae"
ive been saying
so-lance-c-eh






Coaster is correct on this one, the myth that Tomatoes where ever truly poisonous stems from that people thought they always where because they are in the nightshade family, and things like the aformentioned horse nettles cause confusion.

Potatoes on the other hand are closer to a human creation. (Aztecs, etc) Raw potatoes are still poisonous, if you ate enough raw potatoes i think like around 10) you could actually die.

Mild, but still technically poisonous

Tobacco will also kill you if you eat it. Most of the Nicotine in smoking gets burned off.



i always thought they myth came from in the middle ages people had lead plates and the acid from the tomatoes caused the lead to mix into the food and people died from lead poisoning :shrug:

edit, just found this:
http://historymedren.about.com/od/dailylifesociety/a/bod_tomatoes.htm


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14181109 - 03/25/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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boredcertified said:
Just like apples, the only true "wild" apple trees are found in a mountainous region of China I think it is....
Potatoes, Tjlips, cannibus, all made great via human interaction.
Never though bout maters, cool thread!
bc




You are absolutely wrong about wild apples.  Go to Ruidoso New Mexico, go to the upper canyon areas, the ruidoso river is lined with small wild apple trees, they are green and sour as hell in the summer, but after the first freeze, about mid sept~1 oct, they are on the ground and really sweet and tasty.  There are goldens in some areas also.  My mother and I often go up and pick up a couple of bags of them off the ground, she makes apple pies from them. 

I've also seen wild rasberries, strawberries, squash, watercress, and asparagus in the southeast new mexico mountains.




The tree originated in Western Asia, where its wild ancestor, the Alma, is still found today. There are more than 7,500 known cultivars of apples, resulting in a range of desired characteristics. Cultivars vary in their yield and the ultimate size of the tree, even when grown on the same rootstock.[2]
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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: Coaster]
    #14181488 - 03/25/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sow-lan-ace-e-aye

The night shade family. Tomatoes and their relatives are native to central and south america.

I've done some env. consulting in W. China, former soviet republics, looking at apple cultivars and other crops as part of a project to encourage the continuued cultivation of ancient crops by hill tribe people. Literally in this region, each valley has unique cultivars of apple, apricot, mulberry and so on. We try to encourage "agridiversity sustainability" in developing nations.


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Re: Anyone here ever seen a tomato plant grow in the wild? [Re: thescientist]
    #14181524 - 03/25/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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boredcertified said:
Just like apples, the only true "wild" apple trees are found in a mountainous region of China I think it is....
Potatoes, Tjlips, cannibus, all made great via human interaction.




Potatoes: cultivated from an existing plant that produced edible tubers; just one of the many, many tubers that have been consumed by humans (and other animals) for many millennia. Potatoes are not 'made' by humans, although races have been refined to optimize yield and resistance against pests.
Tulips (not sure about what tjlips are; maybe you're referring to the sound a particular bird makes): same story, using a small species of tulip still found in Turkey
Cannabis: same story once more...
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Sow-lan-ace-e-aye




Around here (Netherlands) we would say so-lan-ah-say-ay, but there just tend to be differences in pronunciations of Latin names. Doesn't particularly bother me.

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I've done some env. consulting in W. China, former soviet republics, looking at apple cultivars and other crops as part of a project to encourage the continuued cultivation of ancient crops by hill tribe people. Literally in this region, each valley has unique cultivars of apple, apricot, mulberry and so on. We try to encourage "agridiversity sustainability" in developing nations.



Sounds like a really cool line of business to be in :thumbup:


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