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TO Humble? - Possible?
    #14166506 - 03/22/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Just want to get some peoples opinions on this, what they feel about the possibility of being TO humble(i believe being humble and spirituality go hand and hand). Been Depressed for years... just trying to get some help.. different perspectives, different opinions.. please


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14166558 - 03/22/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

too much of anythang isn't a good thang IMO.
balance is key IMO.

why are you depressed?


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14166576 - 03/22/11 07:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Fucked up childhood, fucked up situations that eat at me everyday. Some real deep shit.. embedded like a fucking maggot just eating away at your brain or some shit i dont know. Lol. I just have no confidence, i dont know how to gain it.. im so conscience about so much shit.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14166605 - 03/22/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It'd be different if i was obese, ugly, stupid, arrogant .. etc.. but im not? The fuck?


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14166644 - 03/22/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The past is dead, although it does affect where you stand in the present. It's always a good to remember that whatever happened in the past, cannot be changed, and you can only do what you can do right now. Life is short, seize the day!

I find exercise/weight-lifting to be beneficial as a natural anti-depressant and self-confidence booster.
Eating healthy, cleaning up the space you live in also helps clear my mind.

If you live near a beach, go for a swim, if not, take an Epsom salt bath. And just relax.

Meditation is really helpful, and also if you want a huge transformation:

DMT

Also Don't worry too much about what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' or 'good' and 'evil'
Morality is a trickster that ends up making you feel bad just for being human IMO.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14166685 - 03/22/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah i realize the past is dead, its not so much the past its everyday life. I lack the ability to positively cope with stress. I have no motivation, that and confidence i dont know how to get.. i bitch about my problems i know lol.. I just dont know why honestly. I guess summer is coming maybe its time to get into something and stick with it.. college this october also. But easier said than done for sure..

I've always been interested in DMT but i have NO clue where to get it. I live in a rural area... or can it be done by myself :evil:

Also, meditation.. but its hard i cant hardly clear my mind regardless what technique i try.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14166726 - 03/22/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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darkstar3616 said:
Yeah i realize the past is dead, its not so much the past its everyday life. I lack the ability to positively cope with stress. I have no motivation, that and confidence i dont know how to get.. i bitch about my problems i know lol.. I just dont know why honestly. I guess summer is coming maybe its time to get into something and stick with it.. college this october also. But easier said than done for sure..





It's always easier to say than to do.
It's the same as talking the talk and walking the walk.

Exercising is one positive way to cope with stress.

As for motivation, that's more of a personal issue that you will have to find on your own. What motivates me, may not motivate you. But the end all thing, for me, is to do something, anything, rather than stagnate and decay.

I thought this movie was really inspiring and motivational for me,


But something else may be different for you. :shrug:

David Lynch used to be depressed and full of anxiety and fears, but he's changed!



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I've always been interested in DMT but i have NO clue where to get it. I live in a rural area... or can it be done by myself :evil:





It can be done by yourself, the STB tek is really easy, a search around the forums should land you where you need to be.


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Also, meditation.. but its hard i cant hardly clear my mind regardless what technique i try.




I used to think meditation was about clearing your mind, but it's more about letting your mind do its thing than trying to force a clear-headed mindset.

Trying to have a clear-mind is using up mental energy, and is the opposite of meditating.
Let your thoughts come, and then let them go.
Meditation should require no effort whatsoever.

"Ram Dass Guides Meditation Practice"


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14166857 - 03/22/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Also, meditation.. but its hard i cant hardly clear my mind regardless what technique i try.




I used to think meditation was about clearing your mind, but it's more about letting your mind do its thing than trying to force a clear-headed mindset.

Trying to have a clear-mind is using up mental energy, and is the opposite of meditating.
Let your thoughts come, and then let them go.
Meditation should require no effort whatsoever.

"Ram Dass Guides Meditation Practice"




I have had this "do its own thing" feeling multiple times.. i just never stick with it like a fool. It hasnt gone to in depth though, just random slides of thoughts. Then i lose it.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14167608 - 03/22/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Meher On Humility

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Strength begets humility, whereas modesty bespeaks weakness. Only he who is truly great can be really humble.

When, in the firm knowledge of it, a man admits his true greatness, it is in itself an expression of humility. He accepts his greatness as most natural and is expressing merely what he is, just as a man would not hesitate to admit to himself and others the fact of his being man.

For a truly great man, who knows himself to be truly great, to deny his greatness would be to belittle what he indubitably is. For whereas modesty is the basis of guise, true greatness is free from camouflage.

On the other hand, when a man expresses a greatness he know or feels he does not possess, he is the greatest hypocrite.

Honest is the man who is not great and, knowing and feeling this, firmly and frankly states that he is not great.

There are more than a few who are not great, yet assume a humility in the genuine belief of their own worth. Through words and actions they express repeatedly their humbleness, professing to be servants of humanity. True humility is not acquired by merely donning a garb of humility. True humility spontaneously and continually emanates from the strength of the truly great. Voicing one's humbleness does not make one humble. For all that a parrot may utter, "I am a man," it does not make it so.

Better the absence of greatness than the establishing of a false greatness by assumed humility. Not only do these efforts at humility on man's part not express strength, they are, on the contrary, expressions of modesty born of weakness, which springs from a lack of knowledge of the truth of Reality.

Beware of modesty. Modesty, under the cloak of humility, invariably leads one into the clutches of self-deception. Modesty breeds egoism, and man eventually succumbs to pride through assumed humility.

The greatest greatness and the greatest humility go hand in hand naturally and without effort.








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Simplicity and all it implies is another great aid in the development of human love. Simplicity springs from humility, and humility is often confused with modesty. Modesty is weakness, but humility is strength. Therefore a world of difference separates the two. The moment you "I say in all humility —" the very use of the expression betrays your ego. Even though you believe that you are being humble, you are expressing your egotism.

The difficulty is not resolved even if you try with true honesty to express true humility. Inevitably, obstacles arise, such as the thought of what others may think of your expression of humility.

No sooner is humility given expression than it is no longer humility. It is nonsense to give deliberate expression to humility. A life of humility is lived spontaneously, and should not give rise to thoughts of either humility or modesty.

As an example, suppose you start to clean a latrine, but you cannot help noting the smell. A janitor who has cleaned them all his life remains unaffected. The person who parades humility is like the one who notes the smell while cleaning a latrine. The person who lives the life of humility is like the sweeper who is immune to the odor and completely unworried about what others think of him. He actually lives the life of a janitor.

To have to try to be humble is also nonsense. You must be so natural that your life becomes humility personified, which means all strength freed from all weakness.

So, whatever you are, express it unmindful of public opinion and the reaction of others. Be natural. If you are dishonest, do not try to hide yourself behind the curtain of honesty. This does not mean though that you should be dishonest.

Above all else, be content with your lot, rich or poor, happy or miserable. Understand that God has designed it for your own good, and be resigned to His will. Remember the present in the frame of the past and the future. You eternally were and always will be. You have had innumerable forms as man and woman, beautiful and ugly, strong and weak, healthy and sickly, powerful and helpless, and now you are here again in another form.

Until you gain spiritual freedom you will be invested with many such forms, so why seek temporary relief now which will only result in further bindings later? Do not ask God for money, fame, power, health or children, but seek His grace and it will lead you to eternal bliss.






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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: soldatheero]
    #14167703 - 03/22/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Been Depressed for years... just trying to get some help.. different perspectives, different opinions.. please

My girlfriend suffers from chronic depression. I asked her the other day if she thought depression was normal. She said, "No." So then I asked her if that was a bad thing. She looked at me a little strange, so I explained.

If depression were a normal emotional experience, would it seem so hopeless? Would the individual suffering the negative emotions feel so isolated and alone with their problems?

IMO depression is a normal response to being human. Things are not always rosy. I get depressed myself, and I find comfort in knowing someone else knows what it's like. Someone else can empathize and let me sit with those negative feelings. They aren't going to try and instantly turn me around because I don't feel good. They aren't going to tell me to cheer up. They've been there, and they know it's a part of life.

That's about as good as it gets for me and my girl. We know that life isn't perfect. We know that the sun can't shine all the time. And we're becoming less and less afraid to face that darkness full on. Not to analyze it and figure out what's wrong, but to just take it in without running the other way.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: Kickle]
    #14168800 - 03/23/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I too had a fucked up childhood and it scarred me for life, or at least it tried to. You need to recognize your problems and cause of depression and make a change. The source of my depression and fucked up childhood is my mom. I've been wanting to leave my house since I was a little kid. For a while, all I would dream of was leaving my house and living somewhere else. Instead of running away, I decided to battle my personal issues and began a pretty long stage of self-improvement. Everyone suffers from depression, it's not a disease, it's under your control and you need to analyze yourself and plan for the future. Forget others, help yourself and then you can start being humble.

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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616] * 1
    #14170007 - 03/23/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Just want to get some peoples opinions on this, what they feel about the possibility of being TO humble(i believe being humble and spirituality go hand and hand). Been Depressed for years... just trying to get some help.. different perspectives, different opinions.. please




You can be too much of a push over, but you cant be too humble


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: Chronic7]
    #14170142 - 03/23/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i think ultimate humility is just not clinging to perceptions

outwardly such a person can appear in any way though


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: deff]
    #14172170 - 03/23/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Humbleness also can't be faked, it only comes naturally. The false ego, however, will try its best to fake you though.

Just watch the people who claim their humble. They bow very low, and they think "I am so humble" and their ego is only satisfied whenever you also say "wow, look at how humble you are!" and when you do, watch that smile light up on their face.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: Joolz]
    #14175703 - 03/24/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I hope i am a natural then, i always try to keep it real.. i just get low confidence and humbleness confused i think to be honest. But regardless i think my personality would work with both maybe..


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: deff]
    #14175720 - 03/24/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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deff said:
i think ultimate humility is just not clinging to perceptions

outwardly such a person can appear in any way though




:thumbup:

using the word humility makes it sound like you can be proud about being humble, like you can be good at it or something, but then it wouldn't really be humilty

its just being nothing (what you are) and remaining as that (not attaching to what you see)


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14177505 - 03/24/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Fucked up childhood, fucked up situations that eat at me everyday. Some real deep shit.. embedded like a fucking maggot just eating away at your brain or some shit i dont know. Lol. I just have no confidence, i dont know how to gain it.. im so conscience about so much shit.




You stop yourself from being confident. You cast a shadow in your light.

Every time you think you aren't confident, you aren't. Every time you think you have no confidence, you don't.

What aren't you confident about? What are you worried about? Are you comparing yourself to other people?

How do you gain confidence? You just think you're confident. Instead if saying you can't do something, you say you can. Instead of thinking you have no confidence you think you have it and it does come if you truly believe. But once doubt arises it does not work. But eventually we doubt doubt because it has nothing to stand on.

We're all capable of doing amazing things. The greatest enemy is always the self. Overcoming the self is life's greatest struggle. Constantly we are at war with ourselves.

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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: oxalic32]
    #14178014 - 03/24/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)






You stop yourself from being confident. You cast a shadow in your light.

Every time you think you aren't confident, you aren't. Every time you think you have no confidence, you don't.

What aren't you confident about? What are you worried about? Are you comparing yourself to other people?

How do you gain confidence? You just think you're confident. Instead if saying you can't do something, you say you can. Instead of thinking you have no confidence you think you have it and it does come if you truly believe. But once doubt arises it does not work. But eventually we doubt doubt because it has nothing to stand on.

We're all capable of doing amazing things. The greatest enemy is always the self. Overcoming the self is life's greatest struggle. Constantly we are at war with ourselves.




This hit home, i've thought of this.. even more indepth situations, but i dont know HOW to avoid that, how do i change that... im still searching honestly, thats the key .. i know it is. Maybe its time to get sober completely, get on some medication, or avoid that go natural with actual herbs other than bud, no offense to bud tokers, i smoke myself + oxycodone. I guess thats it, does that sense?


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14178022 - 03/24/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If i think confident, i feel like im constantly lying to myself. Thats so hard to counter. Im extremely conscience. But maybe i cant see far.. lack certain self reflection maybe if that makes sense.


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Re: TO Humble? - Possible? [Re: darkstar3616]
    #14178149 - 03/24/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If i think confident, i feel like im constantly lying to myself. Thats so hard to counter. Im extremely conscience. But maybe i cant see far.. lack certain self reflection maybe if that makes sense.




You are doubting yourself. Eventually you doubt doubt. Why is it so much easier to believe you cannot do it?

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i smoke myself + oxycodone




When i did oxycodone i felt useless to myself and everyone around me. I hated that feeling so much it would drive me to do more oxycodone. Eventually i had to wake up to my life. I'm sorry, but i've never seen that drug help people (the exception being when its used properly and for pain and even than it oftens leads to people getting addicted to it).

What do you lack confidence to do? In anything? In relationships?

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