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OfflineOneU
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I am new to growing, please shed light?
    #14168200 - 03/23/11 02:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Good day/night to you all.

I am attempting to grow at about 7,000 feet altitude. The temperature in the room gets to a maximum of 68 degrees (roommates like it chilled....). I have all the necessary equipment except a solution for temperature. I'm going to attempt the flour/vermiculite/water technique. I have perlite and the proper case, with the proper sterilization methods in check, just waiting on the arrival of my syringe.

I have two questions please.

1) will an auqrium florescent lamp work? it uses "phosphors which produce light rich in red and blue" and is 510 lumens.

2) i need a way to keep the mushrooms warm without spending that much money. the first two weeks they are in darkness i figured i could just wrap them in a blanket (good or bad idea?) but the second week when it becomes 12/12 i'm not sure what i need to do there.

any help is sincerely appreciated.

thank you for reading

Can anyone shed some light onto how I can cultivate these wise medicinal beings? It's the golden teacher strand if that helps.

Love, peace

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: OneU]
    #14168233 - 03/23/11 02:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

1. You want a light with a color temp of 6500k

2.68 degrees would work fine you don't need to worry to much about the temp. Growth will be slower but it wont make it impossible. During fruiting I'd suggest using a small cfl inside the FC which will help increase the temperature a bit for part of the day and make it fruit better then it would at 68 degrees the whole time.

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: Mycjunky]
    #14168246 - 03/23/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't put the light inside the FC. Electricity and water do not mix very well...

:huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: shroomtastic89]
    #14168250 - 03/23/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

68 degrees is more than adequate for colonizing and fruiting. Proceed as normal.


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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: Psilocyentist]
    #14168260 - 03/23/11 02:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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1) will an auqrium florescent lamp work? it uses "phosphors which produce light rich in red and blue" and is 510 lumens.





I did that and it's a waste of money. TMC does say about 420nm blue light makes the best light for pinning, but i find it nitpicking. Just get a cheap ass 6500k daylight lamp from any hardware store. Works just as well. Don't spend more money than you need to.


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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: virus1824]
    #14168296 - 03/23/11 03:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if your worried about heat why not just get a heating seedling mat maybe that might help.

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: starlight]
    #14168307 - 03/23/11 03:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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starlight said:
if your worried about heat why not just get a heating seedling mat maybe that might help.




Because if you direct heat You run the risk of drying out the substrate, which in turn will not colonize. You need to heat up the room it is in, or indeed wrap it in a blanket or something.


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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: virus1824]
    #14168332 - 03/23/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ok i appreciate the comments they are very helpful. that is very comforting that 68 degrees is fine. i will probably insulate the room, hang a blanket around it or something, first test without the cakes and see what the temperature would be.

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Mycjunky said:
1. You want a light with a color temp of 6500k




I don't understand, I am not very efficient with lamps. I looked it up and it still doesn't make sense. The only thing on the box that comes close is something called "irc" and that is 90k? does that mean 9000k?
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1) will an auqrium florescent lamp work? it uses "phosphors which produce light rich in red and blue" and is 510 lumens.





I did that and it's a waste of money. TMC does say about 420nm blue light makes the best light for pinning, but i find it nitpicking. Just get a cheap ass 6500k daylight lamp from any hardware store. Works just as well. Don't spend more money than you need to.



I still have the receipt and can return it but I received some money as a gift recently and wanted to invest in a harmonized scenario for the little people to grow. I don't have a lamp to use, I had a small florescent bulb holder from a blacklight I had a while ago and just put it in there, puts off a pinkish yellowish light close to purple (eyes aren't what they used to be).

any ideas on warmth? i looked into the tub method but that's expensive for my budget..


i also am very grateful for your comments thank you those who have helped <3

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: virus1824]
    #14168334 - 03/23/11 03:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

make a couple of heat bombs. worked for me dude.:goodluck: to find heat bombs utse

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: OneU]
    #14168338 - 03/23/11 03:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Return the lamp. Get a aquarium heater and a plastic bottle, make a heat bomb out of it (aquarium heater in water filled plastic bottle)

Seriously trust me, the aquarium lamp is the most inefficient way to spend that money.


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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: virus1824]
    #14168354 - 03/23/11 03:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i've heard of the tub technique but put it in a plastic bottle? and then what? where would i put the bottle of warmth? also, i am really skeptic about the dunk and roll method but i am getting assured it is the best technique in a colder environment to cause more heat with increased humidity. any thoughts on this?

thanks again everyone...

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: OneU]
    #14168372 - 03/23/11 03:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The first PF jars that I grew colonized in about 65 degree weather.  It took like 2 months.  So yeah, it will still work, but it will colonize much slower.  If you decide to wrap them in a blanket, make sure that you don't knock the jars over or turn them on their side.  If you do knock them over, the layer of dry verm in the top of the jars, which is used as a filter/barrier against contaminants, might fall in and allow all of those contaminants to ruin your cake!  But as others have mentioned, the aquarium incubator works great.  Search the forums to find a good tek to build one if you go down that path.  Good luck!

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: OneU]
    #14170019 - 03/23/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ok i understand. the heater is a good idea. it seems to be tit is more logical to keep it not only warm for the colonization but for fruiting as well.

i am curious though, what do you guys think of this method?



i realize it's only ideal for colonization (or is it?) but what if I place a solid sheet of plexyglass there and cover it with perlite? it seems like a complicated tub in tub when it gets to that step but i am curious as to what the more experienced growers think.

thanks again everyone your comments are expanding my view for sure. <3

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: OneU]
    #14170078 - 03/23/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Way to complicate.
Use a "SGFC" for cakes or a "Mono-Tub" for bulk substrate.

Ahrg....:facepalm:

First read then post.

You dont need a breeding chamber.
It's outdated.
Let the jars colonise at roomtemp and daylight.

Edited by Luger0815 (03/23/11 01:23 PM)

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: Luger0815]
    #14170133 - 03/23/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

it's not bulk and i thought they didn't need light (in fact needed darkness??) while they are colonizing? i just watched this movie about growing then came upon this website again (hadn't visited it since a couple of years ago when i first engaged with mushrooms). i read a bunch of stuff like pf tek method and other peoples personal exp but i will just use tub in tub i believe.

i thought:

1) colonization through inoculation
2) let them sit in dark place, check every few days to make sure they haven't been contaminated
3) when fully colonized, open lid, lightly tip for the top layer to fall out, then turn over, slam it out and place on lid, put in chamber with holes and perlite.

(skip details)

success or not?

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: OneU]
    #14170155 - 03/23/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Things changes fast because this is a very new hobby to mankind.
The myc will benefit from light during colonization.
And room temp is high enough.

Edited by Luger0815 (03/23/11 01:36 PM)

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: OneU]
    #14170186 - 03/23/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

OneU said:
it's not bulk and i thought they didn't need light (in fact needed darkness??) while they are colonizing? i just watched this movie about growing then came upon this website again (hadn't visited it since a couple of years ago when i first engaged with mushrooms). i read a bunch of stuff like pf tek method and other peoples personal exp but i will just use tub in tub i believe.

i thought:

1) colonization through inoculation
2) let them sit in dark place, check every few days to make sure they haven't been contaminated
3) when fully colonized, open lid, lightly tip for the top layer to fall out, then turn over, slam it out and place on lid, put in chamber with holes and perlite.

(skip details)

success or not?




its just outdated info.

try this pf tek.
www.mushroomvideos.com


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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: k00laid]
    #14170317 - 03/23/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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68 degrees is more than adequate for colonizing and fruiting. Proceed as normal.




i agree with this statement. colonizing in the dark and using incubators is old and outdated. I grow at 68 degrees my jars get 12 hours of daylight sit on an open shelf.no problems

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: Bom_Tombadil]
    #14171399 - 03/23/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ok so i went and bought tubs and a water heater. i saw the video already but didn't pay attention to the fact that they are in the open. i still see others leaving them in the dark container and warm.

what are the pros of leaving them out in the open? in the dark i can warm them up and it's average is 2 weeks whereas 3 weeks in the open (again, just my inexperienced observation).

if i leave them in a tub with no lid, will that be ok for 2-3 weeks? i'll have  a water heater beneath it keeping it at  76-82 degrees (the water) and i'm going to just test it without jars to see the temp of the tub.

any ideas on this factor? thank you for the current comments, i am definitely listening and weighing the cost factors of it all

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Re: I am new to growing, please shed light? [Re: OneU]
    #14171622 - 03/23/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if you close it off no gas exchange will happen stalling the jars. cover with a towel or something similar.


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