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Synesthetic said: Look, I don't sit and wallow in these horrible feelings because I like it or because it's easier than trying to do something about them.
If they weren't beyond my control, I wouldn't have been diagnosed as having a mood disorder.
I didn't ask for help getting back on my meds, which is all I can do to get this somewhere I can manage them, because when I'm feeling as low as I have, I irrationally think no one cares, no one will help, because I'm just a worthless waste of space who would do the world a favor by ceasing to exist.
I'm not being overly dramatic for whatever sake, that's how I really feel about life when I let myself go this far.
But now I'm going to get back on my meds because being a slave to those feelings is no way to live.
Look at it this way and im not trying to be negative, but just think if you didnt have the ability to be able to afford health insurance or whatever psychological care you have. How much would people care then medically towards your health. Ill bet beyond a few words, about none. Because your right man. Most people dont give two shits whether you drop dead or not when your chips are down. That iss how society has been made to act. Indifferent. What i do is try to be grateful for whatever ive earned or received and share to those who appreciate you and deserve it.
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Re: Did I overreact? [Re: Noetical]
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Tchan909 said: My only real point here is that if you make excuses for your mistakes then you're going to keep repeating them until you either die or learn to stop making excuses.
But then how do you distinguish making excuses from attempts at forming explanations?
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Re: Did I overreact? [Re: Poid]
#14170762 - 03/23/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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of course its his fault for acting like a prat - whose else would it be ?
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Re: Did I overreact? [Re: Poid]
#14170771 - 03/23/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: My only real point here is that if you make excuses for your mistakes then you're going to keep repeating them until you either die or learn to stop making excuses.
But then how do you distinguish making excuses from an attempt at forming explanations?
I think it's the overabundance of the word "but" in the OP's posts separating actions from their explanations. It causes the clause immediately following the "but" to read like an excuse and an abandonment of responsibility for the clause preceding the "but." So I threw in my two asshole cents on that matter.
I'm starting to feel like a jerk for jacking OP's thread, though.
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DarkMatterOfFact said: But now I'm going to get back on my meds because being a slave to those feelings is no way to live.
Look at it this way and im not trying to be negative, but just think if you didnt have the ability to be able to afford health insurance or whatever psychological care you have. How much would people care then medically towards your health. Ill bet beyond a few words, about none. Because your right man. Most people dont give two shits whether you drop dead or not when your chips are down. That iss how society has been made to act. Indifferent. What i do is try to be grateful for whatever ive earned or received and share to those who appreciate you and deserve it. 
I'm going to go even further into the realm of lunatic-fringe insensitivity here and suggest that OP may have been better off in the end if he had never gotten psychiatric care. Psychiatry in the US is a for-profit enterprise. It's concerned with building dependencies by absolving people of their responsibilities. They do not have your best interests at heart.
I know people who have been on antidepressants for half their lives. They're as miserable as they've ever been, they're just not able to feel it and therefore not able to do anything about it. It seems like a death sentence to me.
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Noetical said: of course its his fault for acting like a prat - whose else would it be ?
IMO, since he didn't get to choose his early life experiences (which is when the fundamentals of our character and our style of interacting with the world is formed), and didn't get to choose his unique brain chemistry (which is the cause for is general emotional malaise), it's not his fault that he's the way he is. He didn't choose to be the way he is, so it's not his fault. 
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Tchan909 said: My only real point here is that if you make excuses for your mistakes then you're going to keep repeating them until you either die or learn to stop making excuses.
But then how do you distinguish making excuses from an attempt at forming explanations?
I think it's the overabundance of the word "but" in the OP's posts separating actions from their explanations. It causes the clause immediately following the "but" to read like an excuse and an abandonment of responsibility for the clause preceding the "but." So I threw in my two asshole cents on that matter.
I suppose that makes sense; I think it's sometimes hard to determine whether or not somebody is merely making excuses.
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Tchan909 said: I'm starting to feel like a jerk for jacking OP's thread, though. 
Eh, IMO you're just trying to offer some friendly, realistic advice.
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I'm not supposed to be on antidepressants, I'm supposed to be on antipsychotics because...and try to keep up...I get psychotic!
Mental disorders still have a huge stigma attached to them, because a lot of people who don't have them can't understand why the people who do can't just get over their problems.
My family was very wary about me getting psychiatric help, and didn't accept it at all until they saw how much better I got.
Everyone except for my dad, anyway. He kept saying it was bullshit and I was feeling better because I wanted to feel better or that I was just faking it for attention.
Whatever, though, I know what I need to be happy again and I'm going to go out and get it.
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Good shit man. 
Again I'm sorry if anything I've said came across as insensitive or unsympathetic, I was just sharing my thoughts and experiences. Best of luck to you buddy.
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Synesthetic said: Everyone except for my dad, anyway. He kept saying it was bullshit and I was feeling better because I wanted to feel better or that I was just faking it for attention.
I feel bad that your dad treats you this way, man, that's the last thing you need at this point in your life--you have my empathy.
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quit drugs for at least 3-6 months....do productive shit with your life...learn skills and shit...exercise and read
come back to drugs after that
you probably dont have any serious mental illness that is naturally occurring...young people at our age and your age break down somewhat often after doing drugs since puberty and on and moving on to more serious stuff
drugs make you delusional at this age if you are too into them
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Drugs cause very few long-term mental disorders, but untreated mental disorders cause a lot of drug use.
When I get back on my meds, like I always do, I'll stay away from drugs except for the odd night of drinking with my friends.
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DarkMatterOfFact said: But now I'm going to get back on my meds because being a slave to those feelings is no way to live.
Look at it this way and im not trying to be negative, but just think if you didnt have the ability to be able to afford health insurance or whatever psychological care you have. How much would people care then medically towards your health. Ill bet beyond a few words, about none. Because your right man. Most people dont give two shits whether you drop dead or not when your chips are down. That iss how society has been made to act. Indifferent. What i do is try to be grateful for whatever ive earned or received and share to those who appreciate you and deserve it. 
I'm going to go even further into the realm of lunatic-fringe insensitivity here and suggest that OP may have been better off in the end if he had never gotten psychiatric care. Psychiatry in the US is a for-profit enterprise. It's concerned with building dependencies by absolving people of their responsibilities. They do not have your best interests at heart.
I know people who have been on antidepressants for half their lives. They're as miserable as they've ever been, they're just not able to feel it and therefore not able to do anything about it. It seems like a death sentence to me.
While that is true to a extent because it is very lucrative field and drugs are its enabler to greed. You cant stereotype it as corrupt like say are free market and judicial system, haha. It has a few good people involved generally that do or used to care about their patients well being. Although not for free which is the health care systems fault and the u.s. governemts and insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.
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Synesthetic said: Drugs cause very few long-term mental disorders...
They can exacerbate preexisting ones, though.
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yeah just quit being a pussy...it worked for me
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I try not to generalize about psychiatry, because I think it's capable of good things, but there are a lot of impure interests influencing US diagnostics and drug development.
I've always believed that health care should be a public service though, so I guess that makes me a communist or something.
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Re: Did I overreact? [Re: Poid]
#14170999 - 03/23/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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True, but that's not causing the disorder.
A lot of things can exacerbate latent disorders.
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Tchan909 said: I try not to generalize about psychiatry, because I think it's capable of good things, but there are a lot of impure interests influencing US diagnostics and drug development.
I've always believed that health care should be a public service though, so I guess that makes me a communist or something.
Least you dont think the systems we have now are adequate. You'd have to be one hateful and ignorant person these days to be proud the realities we live.
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Synesthetic said: A lot of things can exacerbate latent disorders.
Drugs more so than most others, though (generally speaking).
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