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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Phrenic]
    #14178378 - 03/24/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Some thought to share(not completly sober here but thought of giving it a try):

Cells don't have gender and cells is what drives us. The whole gender thing was something that evolved through competition. We were all hermaphrodites first. Then female came, specialized in reproducing and so they were selected by other hermaphrodites to mate with. Instead of competing with the females, the hermaphrodites evolved the other direction. Mimimizing reproduction organs, specializing in protection and food gathering they became predators.
so now you had hermaphrodites, females and males.. giving the later two the evolutionary advantage..

.... i lost my train of thoughts.....




Good thoughts dude, see if you can flesh it out a bit more cos I'm not quite understanding you yet.


Also for the 'homosexual gene' supporters. Here is another challenge to your theory. Are there genes for the plethora of sexual fetishes? Is there a S&M gene? A scat gene? A golden shower gene?

I mean come on! Next you'll be telling us there is a Beer drinking gene and a Wine drinking gene. And maybe there's a gene that makes some people prefer eating chicken....


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14178462 - 03/24/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And maybe there's a gene that makes some people prefer eating chicken....




I would presume there is.  Many organisms with different genes would never eat chicken.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14178529 - 03/24/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Does anyone know of any recorded instances of feral children mating?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14178592 - 03/24/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I've got a few tapes. :shrug:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14179428 - 03/24/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And maybe there's a gene that makes some people prefer eating chicken....




I would presume there is.  Many organisms with different genes would never eat chicken.




We are not talking about different organisms... we are talking about the same HUMAN ORGANISM!

What genetic evidence would there be for the infinite differences there are in human behaviour?

It seems that some people here are too sensitive to hear that homosexuality could be simply a psychopathology and simply want to use ONE flawed argument to show that it is genetic; "that other animals do it"...

Awesome argument...


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Poid]
    #14179430 - 03/24/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Global population is increasing more quickly than our capacity to produce food and you're /still/ seriously arguing that we should consider homosexuality a disease because homosexuals don't reproduce?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #14179462 - 03/24/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Global population is increasing more quickly than our capacity to produce food and you're /still/ seriously arguing that we should consider homosexuality a disease because homosexuals don't reproduce?




no I'm not saying it's a disease, that's what the genetics camp are advocating.

I'm saying it could be a psychopathology.

Just because our civilisation is at this point of unsustainability at this point in time doesn't mean it has been like this throughout history... yet homosexuals have existed since recorded time...

So the idea that they are somehow evolving to combat the growing population is completely illogical.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14179503 - 03/24/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And maybe there's a gene that makes some people prefer eating chicken....




I would presume there is.  Many organisms with different genes would never eat chicken.




We are not talking about different organisms... we are talking about the same HUMAN ORGANISM!





The difference between the two being.... Genetic!


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14179612 - 03/25/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yerrrr no shit...

the difference between a human that likes chicken and a human that likes lamb? culture

Oh wait. no according to you it's genetic... my bad


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14180187 - 03/25/11 02:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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haha well it depends on how good the research is...




What form would research to determine if homosexuality is pathological take?
If you were a reasearcher, how would you start, and how would you know when you've found something that suggests that homosexuality is pathological?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14180387 - 03/25/11 04:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm saying it could be a psychopathology.





What makes you think it is a psychopathology? Simply stating that some homosexuals have had bad childhood experiences doesn't prove that they are mentally ill. Everybody has some bad childhood experiences - does this mean that not only gays are mentally ill, and that everyone who had a tramatic experience during their childhood are mentally ill?
What thoughts and behaviors are responsible for signaling that gay people are mentallly ill?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14180430 - 03/25/11 04:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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durantz said:.
I'm saying it could be a psychopathology.





What makes you think it is a psychopathology? Simply stating that some homosexuals have had bad childhood experiences doesn't prove that they are mentally ill. Everybody has some bad childhood experiences - does this mean that not only gays are mentally ill, and that everyone who had a tramatic experience during their childhood are mentally ill?
What thoughts and behaviors are responsible for signaling that gay people are mentallly ill?





THIS IS THE QUESTION DUDE!!! :thumbup:

This is the NUMBER ONE question facing clinical psychology. How the hell do we decide that one thing is a mental illness as opposed to something that is not.

I have no idea!

The general attitude amongst the American Psychological Society is that in order for something to be considered a mental illness it must "significantly limit the daily functional capacity of the individual"... This is why homosexuality has been dropped from the DSM...

Is this the right choice though? Or was it simply done out of political correctness?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14180463 - 03/25/11 05:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wait, we've gotten through all these pages only to find out now that you "have no idea" what a mental illness is despite your entire thesis being that homosexuality is one?

WTF?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: johnm214]
    #14180478 - 03/25/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah john, unlike everyone else on this forum I don't claim to know the intricate workings of the human brain... I think this is hard for some people to come to terms with but I am certainly not afraid of admitting that I'm unsure of something.

I am merely stating a hypothesis which I have confessed needs research in order to understand how strong the hypothesis is.

John do you know something about clinical psychology that us mere mortals do not?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14180488 - 03/25/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh and john do you realise how many psychologists come together to create the DSM?

If this stuff was so obvious why would there be so many experts arguing with each other for years before they are 'happy' with the next edition of the DSM?

Perhaps you could write the next one on your own?


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    #14180494 - 03/25/11 05:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Fucking Christ, somebody ban this guy already. :facepalm:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14180594 - 03/25/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh and john do you realise how many psychologists come together to create the DSM?




Probably none. The DSM is published by an organization of psychiatrists and, presumably, is pieced together by psychiatrists.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #14180608 - 03/25/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes you are correct, and this changes my point how?

The point is that an entire group of experts came together to create this publication. NOT an individual.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14180763 - 03/25/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes you are correct, and this changes my point how?

The point is that an entire group of experts came together to create this publication. NOT an individual.





you seem to be forgetting that in rome a group of experts came together and decided it was alright to have a gay orgy

point being, YOUR perception of homosexuality is based on your upbringing



you might say well nature argues that sex is between man and woman hence procreation

how many people in our society have sex with the goal of making babies?



unless you can prove that hormones are caused by mental illness i don't think you have an argument.

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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14181010 - 03/25/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes.  Yesterday I asked a professional mental health counselor with a degree in psychology and she agreed with me.  :razz:

Abnormal pathological behavior is culturally relative.  There is no such thing as objective mental illness.



I'm well aware of that; but there are certain conditions that have more justification to the term "illness" because they are directly harmful to the individual.


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