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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #14174063 - 03/24/11 03:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So, like, are heterosexual adults who decide not to have children also suffering from a disease?

Is contraception a symptom?




Yeah you raise a VERY good point. According to the 'genetic homosexuality' supporters this phenomena would also have a genetic cause...

also there would be genetic causes for all other mental deviations from the norm...


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz] * 1
    #14174155 - 03/24/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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check out some of these theories to get you started.

http://www.learningplaceonline.com/stages/organize/Erikson.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaget%27s_theory_of_cognitive_development

I'm proposing that at each stage of development the child must properly move on to the next stage or they develop various mental problems which may contribute to homosexuality in later life.




I'm familiar with these theories, but you still haven't answered my question. Which mental problems, precisely, result in a person growing up to be homosexual?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #14174595 - 03/24/11 08:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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durantz said:
check out some of these theories to get you started.

http://www.learningplaceonline.com/stages/organize/Erikson.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaget%27s_theory_of_cognitive_development

I'm proposing that at each stage of development the child must properly move on to the next stage or they develop various mental problems which may contribute to homosexuality in later life.




I'm familiar with these theories, but you still haven't answered my question. Which mental problems, precisely, result in a person growing up to be homosexual?




I have no idea... we would need to conduct research. I've just restated an old hypothesis which has been swept aside in the name of political correctness.

Which genes, precisely, result in a person growing up to be homosexual?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14175195 - 03/24/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah so you guys are saying homosexuality is a physical disease?



It's as much of a "disease" as being Jewish, or having dark skin- a physical condition that is not inherently bad (like a disease) but is demonized by society, due mostly to religious intolerance.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14175223 - 03/24/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you get brown eyes and dark skin after you are born, then yes.
Sexual preferences appear after birth, as a result of the blend between one's personal experiences and one's genetic predispositions. That is not to say that homosexuality is a disease - it is just as healthy or unhealthy as liking giving head, having a leather fetish, or liking orgies. :shrug:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14175235 - 03/24/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Which genes, precisely, result in a person growing up to be homosexual?




Howzbout these jeans?



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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14175281 - 03/24/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If you get brown eyes...after you are born, then yes.


Some people are born with blue eyes, and end up developing a different eye color afterwards--this is not due to any disease.

Why do most babies eyes start out as blue and then change color as the baby grows?
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Why newborn's have blue eyes
The color of our eyes comes from melanin, the pigment that also colors our hair and skin. At birth, a baby's body isn't finished producing this pigment yet. Over the first year of life, as our eyes develop and our bodies produce more melanin, our irises gradually change from "baby" blue to their permanent color.

So, what produces the color in green or hazel or brown or black eyes? Actually, despite the many different colors that our eyes can have, the color of the actual pigment in all of them is exactly the same. Melanin only comes in one shade -- yellow-brown. The variations in eye colors come not from the *color* of the pigment in the iris, but rather from the *amount* of the pigment our iris produces. As more melanin is produced, the eye's color changes from light blue to dark blue to green to hazel to brown.

You might be wondering why newborn babies' eyes are blue, rather than some other color, like pink or white. Actually, at birth, our irises don't have much color at all. In nature, things that don't actually have color, like water or the sky, often look blue. That's because blue is the most easily "scattered," or reflected, color of light in the spectrum --it's like nature's "default" color. Before our irises produce melanin, they don't reflect any color, so, like the sky, they look blue, too.




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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: johnm214]
    #14175297 - 03/24/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Mental illness is defined by the culture and society.  It used to be a mental illness, but its not anymore.  In other cultures it still is.





I disagree with this.  While fundamentally this is correct in practice, obviously, the definition of mental illness is definite enough that it is able to be defined irrespective of a particular culture's norms.

Mental illness is definately culturally relative, but that doesn't mean they need to be culturally defined, or are.  Culture would seem only able to provide a cause of mental illness-mimicking behavior that is not caused by the person's abnormal nature but by perfectly normal adhearance to social or cultural customs, norms (religious customs et cet).  Its hard to see how culture could make some behavior mentally ill when it is not so in the abstract.  Even in the religious false-positive  example, it is not the culture that 'excuses' the behavior, but meerly the cause of behavior that if it was solely of personal manifestation it might represent divergant pathological behavior.

Are you saying homosexuality, for example, is a valid mental illness in a particular culture?  Its hard for me to see how that could be so, provided we're speaking of abnormal pathological behavior, which I'd imagine to be a good definition of mental illness






Yes.  Yesterday I asked a professional mental health counselor with a degree in psychology and she agreed with me.  :razz:

Abnormal pathological behavior is culturally relative.  There is no such thing as objective mental illness.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14175565 - 03/24/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hahaha homosexuality. This shit cracks me up because we live in a society where gay's are laughed and hated on but than you see two girls kissing and it's like... YEAH!! Everybody is gay. But the question is to what extent? That's all personal preference due to environmental upbringing.  In prison where guys are stuck there forever they eventually give up on girls and go for guys.This topic is so so broad and so many factors are included I don't even know where to begin. It has nothing to do with genes IMO and I don't have any evidence sue me. People are just confused. So is it a mental illness? Yes... but society in general is mentally ill.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: 1minutehasgoneby]
    #14175597 - 03/24/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do left-handed people suffer from a disease?

How about people who think differently than you and your far-right friends?

Fuck your stupid, boring norms.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #14175705 - 03/24/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Do left-handed people suffer from a disease?


I dunno, but what about ambidextrous individuals? :strokebeard:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14175706 - 03/24/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I have no idea... we would need to conduct research.




You've proposed that homosexuality is a mental illness because, in the course of a child's development, they form mental problems, which then produce homosexuality.
As far as I can tell, the only basis for which you've suggested that homosexuality should be classified as a "mental illness" is that it results from other mental illnesses.

Whether or not you have a clue as to which mental problems lead to homosexuality, or how exactly having such a mental problem would then inevitably bring forth homosexuality, I don't see any justification why this should make us consider homosexuality a "mental illness".
I think that, usually, something is classified as a mental illness due to it's own specifications, not strictly it's etiology.
To analogize, it'd be like labeling self-confidence an emotional problem because the person in question only developed it as a result of having insecurities which brought them to take some sessions of CBT. :grin:

If we are to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder, it'd have to be done by it's own merits. Care to take a stab at it?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #14176881 - 03/24/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If we are to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder, it'd have to be done by it's own merits. Care to take a stab at it?




haha well it depends on how good the research is... You would definitely not intuitively discover this answer (if it did indeed exist)


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Poid]
    #14177972 - 03/24/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Do left-handed people suffer from a disease?


I dunno, but what about ambidextrous individuals? :strokebeard:




Constant internal conflict control, the left hand is always getting jealous.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14177997 - 03/24/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...the left hand is always getting jealous.


Wait, was this a masturbation joke? :lol:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Poid]
    #14178057 - 03/24/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:yesnod:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14178074 - 03/24/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:highfive:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Poid]
    #14178081 - 03/24/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Some thought to share(not completly sober here but thought of giving it a try):

Cells don't have gender and cells is what drives us. The whole gender thing was something that evolved through competition. We were all hermaphrodites first. Then female came, specialized in reproducing and so they were selected by other hermaphrodites to mate with. Instead of competing with the females, the hermaphrodites evolved the other direction. Mimimizing reproduction organs, specializing in protection and food gathering they became predators.
so now you had hermaphrodites, females and males.. giving the later two the evolutionary advantage..

.... i lost my train of thoughts.....


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Blondell_Letrange] * 2
    #14178236 - 03/24/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:yesnod:




You know the rulez. With a video, I have to conclude you are merely posturing. :shrug:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14178249 - 03/24/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

+1 :sadyes:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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