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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14168470 - 03/23/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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word is a word


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Poid]
    #14168479 - 03/23/11 05:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:laugh:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: BeverageFace]
    #14168491 - 03/23/11 05:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I beleive the biggest factors resulting in homosexuality is childhood abuse, more specifically sexual abuse.

Ever gay/lesbian person who i have talked to, has had some form of sexual abuse.


Many straight people have been sexually abused as well. :imslow:


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From my experience, bi-sexual girls were often sexually abused at a younger age. And this has instilled a distrust and fear of men in them. They still physically are attracted to men.


Then WTF is your point?


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So in need of emotional closeness, they often turn to a close friend, often in the same situation, and that emotional attraction is what leads to the sexual part.

you arent the first  person to propose this, ive thought it for a while. I tend not to talk to most people about it though, because currently people are hypersensitive to the issue, and you will catch quick backlash from most from mentioning this theory.


It's a retarded theory based on irrational emotions--there is no such thing as a healthy sexual orientation that applies to all people, to suggest such a thing is extremely ridiculous.


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http://ultimo167.wordpress.com/articles-on-men/does-child-sexual-abuse-cause-homosexuality/

this study found gay men reported being sexually abused 3 times more than straight men. other factors do affect this though because it is self reported abuse.


This study is worthless in terms if determining whether homosexuality is natural among the entire human species because its test subjects belong to one single culture--homosexuality has been embraced by many cultures, and many people in such cultures who engaged in homosexual behavior did not do so as a result of being "sexually abused".

Also, the term "sexual abuse" is not very concrete (sometimes consensual sexual acts are considered abusive)--I'd like to know precisely what is implied in that study by that term.


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Now i am not claiming it can be reversed, but i do think it sometimes naturally reverses itself.


Pretty much like any preference, I guess.


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I've seen this more often though with lesbians. When their distrust of men is dealt with, they can then form emotional relations with men, and then lead to sexual relationships. And since they can then have a emotional relationship with a man, they no longer see that out in women, and desire diminishes. i doubt completely though.


This is fucking retarded--you said earlier that such women are still sexually attracted to men, even though they do not desire to have an emotional connection with them. How the fuck does this suggest that their abuse caused them to be not be sexually attracted to men, and to be sexually attracted to women instead?


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The whole argument that it is genetic is completely absurd to me. If there was a gene that caused homosexuality, it would be the first to be weeded out.


I guess it's not possible for the genes which are responsible for homosexuality to exist if scientists haven't found them yet. :shrug:


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Genes are passed on genetically through reproduction. So how would these genes be passed on if the carriers are not reproducing?


:facepalm:

Never heard of genotypes, huh?


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Also, if this were true it was genetic, then children of gay men and women would be more likely to be gay.


:facepalm:

Never heard of genotypes, huh?


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...many straight turned gay men, who had families before coming out, are straight.


Sexuality is a continuum, and often changes over time--do you have a point?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Poid]
    #14168523 - 03/23/11 06:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

who peed on your sugar food?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: BeverageFace]
    #14168528 - 03/23/11 06:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I am proposing that homosexuality is a mental illness (this is not a new theory but it seems to have been dropped due to political correctness)

The reason for my proposal is that if homosexuality was genetic then it would have been selectively eliminated from the gene pool. And with estimates of 10% of the population being homosexual it is very unlikely that there is a genetic cause for this.

I believe that the upbringing of a child causes mental problems that, unless they are correctly resolved, result in the person growing up to be a homosexual. Once the homosexual begins receiving sexual gratification from the same sex they are 'rewarded' which further reinforces the homosexual behaviour.

When this process is repeated enough times the individual has become conditioned to respond sexually to the same sex in much the way that Pavlov conditioned his dogs.

Please discuss.





You would have to account for  homosexuality within the rest of nature and you haven't.

I can only hope you are playing devils advocate here.  But sexual insecurity runs very deep in humanity making the species for the most part mentally ill imo.





From what I have searched. there is no TRUE homosexuality in nature. as in the creature having no desire to mate. most of the time it is sexual behavior with both males and females, or homosexual behavior in captivity, or when they can not find a mate.

So they are actually bisexual.





True bisexuality is common in nature.  Animals could not reproduce without bisexuality.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14168530 - 03/23/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah and these so called 'homosexual' animals don't go around differentiating themselves from the rest of the species like human homosexuals do...

Icelander what has this got to do with sexual reproduction?





It has little to do with reproduction and a lot to do with sexual expression.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14168546 - 03/23/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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who peed on your sugar food?



Some faggot. :stoned:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Poid]
    #14168573 - 03/23/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im gay but i always make sure i cum into a cup and pour it in the nearest female so i am not classified by anyone as mentally ill :banana:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: quinn]
    #14168590 - 03/23/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Use a funnel, they're more effective than cups for that purpose--I speak from extensive experience here. :female:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: quinn]
    #14168640 - 03/23/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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im gay but i always make sure i cum into a cup and pour it in the nearest female so i am not classified by anyone as mentally ill :banana:




I'm not saying that it's the fault of the homosexual that they have the problem.

That would be like saying that it's a child's fault they are mentally ill because someone sexually abused them...

I should probably say that homosexuals are 'mentally defective' rather than 'mentally ill'. I simply mean this in the sense that homosexual psychology is pathological. But this does not mean that they are somehow less of a person or that they are 'fucked up'. It simply means that their psychological characteristics deviate from the norm in a negative way.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14168643 - 03/23/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I simply mean this in the sense that homosexual psychology is pathological.


Baseless opinions are useless in this forum.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14168665 - 03/23/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

humans are... fucked up.
the most sane thing for them to do right now would be voluntary extinction.
its for the best.
homos are just one step ahead of the game.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz] * 2
    #14168753 - 03/23/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The reason for my proposal is that if homosexuality was genetic then it would have been selectively eliminated from the gene pool. And with estimates of 10% of the population being homosexual it is very unlikely that there is a genetic cause for this.

This would only be true if there were no or negative benefits conferred by it to the overall population. But according to the so-called "Gay Uncle" theory, by providing resources to help care for, protect, and feed a sibling's child, a gay relative can further the family's genetics through the non-gay offspring. It's a variation on Kin Selection theory which is well established.

And with estimates of 10% of the population being homosexual it is very unlikely that there is a genetic cause for this.

An estimated 10% of the population likes pickles. It is very unlikely that there is a genetic cause for this. And clearly they're mentally ill as no one in their right mind would eat a pickle. :razz:

From what I have searched. there is no TRUE homosexuality in nature.

I had a lesbian dog when I was a kid. She wanted nothing to do with male dogs and would sniff and hump female dogs at every opportunity. From what I saw, she was fully homosexual.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Diploid]
    #14168790 - 03/23/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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An estimated 10% of the population likes pickles. It is very unlikely that there is a genetic cause for this. And clearly they're mentally ill as no one in their right mind would eat a pickle.




I'm not saying that because only 10% of the population are homosexual that it is a mental disorder...

I'm saying that 10% of the population is too large of a number for the issue to be genetic! Hermaphrodites make up only around .05% of the population and there is a well established genetic cause for this. But 10% is wayyy too large considering that the majority of homosexuals don't reproduce.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14168821 - 03/23/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's possible that some people are born with the inclination towards homosexuality, and others develop it later in their lives for reasons unrelated to genetics.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14168843 - 03/23/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it simply means that their psychological characteristics deviate from the norm in a negative way.

Considering human overpopulation and resource consumption I don't see how you can use the word "negative"?

IMO they are almost the only ones acting to save humanity from it's foolishness.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Icelander]
    #14168859 - 03/23/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hey i already said that! :crankey:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14168860 - 03/23/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

From what I understand, the majority of homos are bi. Gay people produce offspring at a slightly higher rate than straight people, but this is offset by a shorter than average lifespan. Their propensity to reproduce insures their gay genes are passed on. This is theory of course, as gay genes haven't been proven yet.

Check out the book "Sperm Wars" by Robin Baker.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Rahz]
    #14168869 - 03/23/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Gay people produce offspring at a slightly higher rate than straight people, but this is offset by a shorter than average lifespan.

I don't think that's true.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: quinn]
    #14168879 - 03/23/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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hey i already said that! :crankey:





Great minds think alike. :shrug:


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