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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14183601 - 03/25/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well going on the last posts of you and mushroomttip this has just turned into bashing me... I know it is against forum rules and you both know it too. So I guess we will have to end it there??

Rather than answering my questions MushroomTrip you have just put questions in there against me. Why don't you answer my questions instead of making this debate about my sanity?

I never said I'm going to be the reference point of human sanity. You are the one saying that.

Easy to criticise an argument by saying the other person is insane... it has been done throughout history to silence dissent.

As evidenced by the many comments on this board I am definitely not the only person who thinks homosexuality is psychological... so does that mean we are all just totally irrational? And that we should accept the popular theory? Even when that popular theory has no evidence to back it up?

At least I admit that my theory is only a hypothesis. Others here want to actually say their theory is TRUE!! hrmmmmm


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14183623 - 03/25/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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durantz said:
Well going on the last posts of you and mushroomttip this has just turned into bashing me...




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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14183644 - 03/25/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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durantz said:
Well going on the last posts of you and mushroomttip this has just turned into bashing me... I know it is against forum rules and you both know it too. So I guess we will have to end it there??

Rather than answering my questions MushroomTrip you have just put questions in there against me. Why don't you answer my questions instead of making this debate about my sanity?

I never said I'm going to be the reference point of human sanity. You are the one saying that.

Easy to criticise an argument by saying the other person is insane... it has been done throughout history to silence dissent.

As evidenced by the many comments on this board I am definitely not the only person who thinks homosexuality is psychological... so does that mean we are all just totally irrational? And that we should accept the popular theory? Even when that popular theory has no evidence to back it up?

At least I admit that my theory is only a hypothesis. Others here want to actually say their theory is TRUE!! hrmmmmm




Translation: "I have no actual rational arguments, just baseless opinion! You guys are mean because you're using research and facts, and saying that I'm wrong! I claim that my viewpoint is only a 'theory' even though I blindly hold to it in the face of all evidence! You're all wrong and I'm right!  :hissyfit:  "

Only one of us has actually used any sources at all.

On top of utterly failing at this debate, you exposed the fact that you're insecure about secretly being a :homo:

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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz] * 1
    #14183657 - 03/25/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Read the forum rules again - ideas can be attacked. I did plenty of that, but I didn't insult you. I also said a shit load of other things which you chose to ignore. Let me recap for you:
1. What is mental illness?
2. How did you determine, with the exception of your own personal issues against homosexuality, that homosexuals are mentally ill?
3. If you had to present a scientific case on the link between homosexuality and mental illnes, how would you do it?
4. How did you manage to find out that ALL homosexuals had traumatic chilhoods, and, for those of the gays who had traumatic experiences, how did you determine that it was because of them that they became gay?
5. How does whining about who's fit to babysit prove anything about mental illness?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14183683 - 03/25/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh god dude... how many times do I need to say this.

I made a hypothesis....

I said it needs research....

I proposed research that could be undertaken....


Nowhere in those statements have I claimed to be the omnipotent being who is the pillar of human sanity..... I'm not sure why you bother to point this out to me cos I already know this....

In actual fact there is no point in me going on about this cos in my OP I simply said I wanted others to discuss this.

The main reason for my OP was to see what kind of split we had here on the forum... so now I see it's actually pretty even split. I'm happy. Are you happy?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14183692 - 03/25/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Samurai Drifter,

You know better than to call people names in here. If your argument is so weak that you have to resort to insulting people, then stay out of PS&P. Try the OTD forum where that's how the children there debate. Here we find that boring.

Take a break from the Shroomery to think about it. Your next one will be a lot longer.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14183711 - 03/25/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Are you happy?




Sure, and what's the best is that my happiness doesn't depend on a silly thread on the shroomey. :lol:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14183792 - 03/25/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I got two mean PMs yesterday. I am going to go cry myself to sleep. :cryariver:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14183843 - 03/25/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I got two mean PMs yesterday. I am going to go cry myself to sleep. :cryariver:




Obviously not from Icelander or you would have already predicted what they were going to be about and prepared yourself :P


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: durantz]
    #14363593 - 04/27/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This is actually a topic on here? Um, I happen to be gay and I can tell you that homosexuality is NOT a mental illness. Thousands of species of animals have been observed to exhibit homosexual behaviors.

The biological purpose for homosexuality is population control. Scientists have figured out that just like the animal kingdom, areas where there are high populations have the most homosexuals. This is why every big city in america has a gay area. For example, west hollywood in LA, the castro district in san francisco, hillcrest in san diego, dallas, etc. Smaller cities have smaller amounts of gay people. Gays basically flock to areas of high population because it means a bigger chance for them to find their soul mates, there's more acceptance in a bigger city than in a tiny town. If you've heard about matthew sheopard, he was from a SMALL town. He was probably the only gay person in his community. I do not need to go into the tragedy of his death.

Anyway, I also am bipolar, which is a REAL mental illness. BIPOLAR is a mental illness, not homosexuality.

Also, there has been a study done on homophobic people, you can watch the video here, Homophobes=gay in denial?


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14365184 - 04/28/11 04:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think that homosexuality is abnormal. It goes against what nature created us to do. So however u look at it, homosexuality is abnormal.

However, homosexuality is removed from the DSM-IV,it was in the DSM-III as a mental disorder. I think part of this reason was because homosexuality does not affect your daily functioning (occuption, education, social). Therefore it is subclinical level.

I think homosexuality can be both psychological and physiological. Reason why i didnt say genetics is because, how do we know that homosexuality isnt caused by teratogens (harmful substance that causes abnormality in unborn babies).

That is one area that needs exploring. I "think" i read sumwhere that plastics and the things we eat and drink will change certain behaviours or abnormality.

On the other hand, it is absolutely possible to condition a boy to be girly and even make them like their own sex. We've seen boys raised as girls etc etc. Misinterpreted gender schemas by parents can be one contributing factor. However I'm also not ruling out there are some guys that think they are gay and is unsure, ones with sexuality confusion.

Why are some bisexual and some homo and some unsure? What i think is that some men just get talked into it at least for the bisexuals and the "unsure" group. However much studies needs to be done on this matter, but i doubt there will ever be in this day and age as homosexuality is a taboo subject to question on without being called discrimination.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: dazzassj6]
    #14365203 - 04/28/11 04:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i think that homosexuality is abnormal. It goes against what nature created us to do. So however u look at it, homosexuality is abnormal.




However I look at it? Really? What you actually mean is, "if you look at it the way I do".

As far as I know, nature didn't create us for any specific purpose.  We were born out of evolutionary chaos.  There is no specific direction that humanity needs to be heading.  Nature doesn't care, people do.


Now, I do agree with you in that I don't think all gay people necessarily have the same causation behind their feelings. 
Nature vs nurture?  Probably one or the other, or a little of both, depending on who you're talking about.



BTW, I'm pretty sure all of this has been brought up earlier in this dead thread.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: dazzassj6]
    #14365643 - 04/28/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i think that homosexuality is abnormal. It goes against what nature created us to do.

By that definition, flying in an aluminum tube 6 miles above the Earth is abnormal too.

And it ignores that homosexuality is found throughout nature and may have a species-reinforcing role elucidated by the so-called Uncle Theory where a gay sibling or other relative contributes to the furthering of the family's genetics by helping to raise the family's young.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Diploid]
    #14366000 - 04/28/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, all the "homosexuality is unnatural" arguments just show an astonishing degree of ignorance about biology.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14366009 - 04/28/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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This is actually a topic on here? Um, I happen to be gay and I can tell you that homosexuality is NOT a mental illness. Thousands of species of animals have been observed to exhibit homosexual behaviors.





Are you claiming that animals cant be mentally ill?  :confused:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14366025 - 04/28/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Depends on how broadly you want to define "mental illness." As far as I'm aware, we don't have a catalog of mental illnesses for diagnosing animals.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: NetDiver]
    #14366051 - 04/28/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think you found your calling. :yesnod:


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14366505 - 04/28/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with the guy(s) that said homosexuality usually involves their childhood. I don't think anyone's "born" gay.  All of the gay males I know didn't have a strong male figure in their life as a child/teenager, thus they search for affection from men to fill the missing father figure they never had, and well, become gay.  All the lesbians I've talked to are just attention whores, and don't actually like women. so IDK about them.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
    #14366788 - 04/28/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with the guy(s) that said homosexuality usually involves child hood abuse. I don't think anyone's "born" gay.

These may be the two most ignorant sentences I've ever read.

Gay men come from all walks of life. From good families and bad. Wealthy and poor. Some have strong father figures in their childhood and some don't. Some were abused and others not. There is no pattern. And many straight people were abused but are still straight.

This is as ridiculous as stating that gay people "choose" to be gay. It is no more true than that some people "choose" to like chocolate but not vanilla. As if what one prefers is a matter of choice rather than an intrinsic personality trait.

This only really applies to gay men. All the lesbians I've talked to are just attention whores

You don't get out much, eh? That's a pretty dumb statement too.


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Re: Is homosexuality a mental illness? [Re: Diploid]
    #14366796 - 04/28/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I agree with the guy(s) that said homosexuality usually involves child hood abuse. I don't think anyone's "born" gay.

These may be the two most ignorant sentences I've ever read.

Gay men come from all walks of life. From good families and bad. Wealthy and poor. Some have strong father figures in their childhood and some don't. Some were abused and others not. There is no pattern. And many straight people were abused but are still straight.

This is as ridiculous as stating that gay people "choose" to be gay. It is no more true than that some people "choose" to like chocolate but not vanilla. As if what one prefers is a matter of choice rather than an intrinsic personality trait.

This only really applies to gay men. All the lesbians I've talked to are just attention whores

You don't get out much, eh? That's a pretty dumb statement too.



Well, not so much abuse. Just their upbringing in general.
Also, I said the one's I, PERSONALLY, have talked to. There's no way you can say I'm wrong. I didn't say all are, I just said the one's I've talked to.
& I do get out. I just don't get the point of wasting my time with lesbians that clearly aren't interested in males.


Edited by DeliriumTrigger (04/28/11 04:05 PM)


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