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microdotty said: If all of you found out for a fact that God did exist..., say like Jesus Christ appeared in front of you when you were fully awake and sober and told you, you were going to Hell unless you changed the way you live your life, would you change it?
Would you give up drugs..? Would you live by the bible..?
Speaking that Jesus showed you a vision of Hell and it was the worst most horrible place you could ever imagine to be..
You bet I would in a second. Hell burns a lot. 
Yeah but it just makes lighting a joint easier. 
not when ur getting burned by dry ice.
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Re: A question to all Atheists..? [Re: microdotty]
#14176555 - 03/24/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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microdotty said: I wouldn't give up drugs unless Jesus actually appeared in front of me and told me not to do them anymore.. i think Jesus drank wine, and I've read somewhere that at the last supper he ate magic mushrooms with his disciples so im guessing its ok.... right?
Also he never existed. 


He did exist he's a real historical figure! Thats like saying christopher columbus didn't exist!
He may have existed, but he was a fraud, and that's why he was killed.
The bastard deserved it, IMO.
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Re: A question to all Atheists..? [Re: microdotty]
#14176755 - 03/24/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wouldn't it be fitting to say that if Jesus appeared in front of you that you would be saved already? Doesn't it say something about God being all forgiving? I think if any deity were to appear in fron of you and you knew who that deity was it would be a good sign. Even atheists have faith, that's a fairly constant thing in the human psychy.
My answer to the question would be no I wouldn't change anything as I would realize something in my life was either so great or disturbing that I was singled out, but in the appearance of a holy deity I have been forgiven. Whether it be Buddah, Jesus, Ganesh, George Harrison, Jim Henson... I don't understand how people don't realize we've still got our holy people in this world.
My personal beliefs conflict with the mass's views so if this seems like a rant I don't mean it to be.
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Re: A question to all Atheists..? [Re: fngbronco]
#14177390 - 03/24/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Atheists aren't immoral drug taking people with no spiritual beliefs.
I understand many atheist lack spiritual beliefs.
But buddhists are atheist. And they do believe in hells. I'm atheist and i still believe in things like karma.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Shroomerette]
#14179323 - 03/24/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very interesting topic, why does God need to exist before people will change their life?
If God would threaten us with hell, we would change our life, but as long as he doesn't, we won't. Isn't it this attitude that is creating hell in the first place?
Suppose everyone suddenly decides to change their life, wouldn't earth change from hell into utopia in mere seconds, as the world is created solely by us? So why don't we? Why do we choose to create hell over heaven? Is it just because of our spite against God being such a prick?
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Godhand]
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Godhand said: Very interesting topic, why does God need to exist before people will change their life?
If God would threaten us with hell, we would change our life, but as long as he doesn't, we won't. Isn't it this attitude that is creating hell in the first place?
Suppose everyone suddenly decides to change their life, wouldn't earth change from hell into utopia in mere seconds, as the world is created solely by us? So why don't we? Why do we choose to create hell over heaven? Is it just because of our spite against God being such a prick?
why do people need to think there is some sort of god even though we constantly learn things attributed to it became explainable through science.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: argg]
#14179354 - 03/24/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Because logic and science leads to God. Take the cell for example, there is no percursor, yet this cell is more complex than any computer. Science claims the cell spontanously came together by chemicals bumping into eachother, but wouldn't this be exactly the same as claiming computers came into existence from junk on a junkyard bumping into eachother?
Honestly, I don't believe in God, but my research in science has forced me to come to the conclusion that God exists. The concept of God and science can perfectly go together. I'd rather not believe in God, but when you use logic and science, you simply can't deny God.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Godhand]
#14179399 - 03/24/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you can't say there is proof one way or the other but I take a slow steady change over billions of years VS a wizard did it.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Godhand]
#14179448 - 03/24/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is not how science explains it. According to current science it was not slow steady change, but instant creation of the cell. The cell came instantly into existence by random chemicals bumping into eachother. Science doesn't explain it as slow steady change, as I said in my argument, there is no precursor for the cell.
So there is not much difference between the explanation of science and "a wizard did it". The only difference is that intelligent design is assumed, while science claims there is no intelligence behind the creation of the cell eventho the cell is more complex than any computer designed by us. Also, humans grow out of one single cell, so you could as well claim that humans spontanously came into existence.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Godhand]
#14179474 - 03/24/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well go ask this god thing how he did it and get the schematics as I would like to check them out then.It would be neat to see it as you say he made it. I know when I make something I can show you how I did it and usually have a nice drawing before I do it.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: argg]
#14179498 - 03/24/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lol good point, why doesn't God give us the shematic? Even if we don't have it, isn't that the purpose of science, to try and figure it out? And when we do figure it out, won't this put us on the same level as God as we will be able to create life just like he did?
So one day we will reach the same level as God, through science, being able to create life, so how can we deny the possibility of God creating life when we are pretty much trying to achieve the exact same thing through science?
I don't have physical proof for God, but I do have logic which tells me that one day we will be able to do the same thing we claim God couldn't do. Isn't this contradiction logical proof of God?
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Godhand]
#14179526 - 03/24/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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bring this god over to my house and I will see if he is real. I do not think it is. Even if there is one I would think of it being more of a super advanced alien child who maybe made a science experiment in 2nd grade a few billion years ago and here we are now in the back of his closet while it is away and super advanced alien college. I find no legit reason to believe in a god of any sort promoted by any religion other then them trying to instill a fear based control over me.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Godhand]
#14179594 - 03/25/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lmfao it's all there in front of you, you're just not looking at it cuz it's not drawn in crayon joking about the crayon bit. I'm not a huge believer in creation, but say these organelles created a symbiosis with others, thus resulting in a "perfect organism". Everything has a symbiosis with another whether it be direct or indirect, it exists. I totally agree with godhand in that we can change heaven and hell by changing not only our views of ourselves and others, but looking at what we have rather than what we can't. I think everyone believes in God, only whether or not God exists and in what form, changes. One thing I'm glad this thread doesn't obscure this disussion with is religion. That shit's the devil!
Schematics are in the DNA. All living organisms posses it, and even more basically all things on earth contain carbon (if I'm not mistaken) so the blueprints involved are on a chemical and molecular level. They all have certain bonds and areas that other things can attach and all have structural integrity. We've been dicking around with that shit already. Round-up resistant soybeans, 3 month old chickens ready for slaughter, skin grafts grown on petri dishes, ears grown on mouse backs....we've pushed our boundaries too far. Always trying to make it better and prolong life, but that really just makes it worse for others. We need to either stop reproducing for 10 years or learn that death is a part of life.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: argg]
#14179593 - 03/25/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you say religion is creating a concept of God for the purpose to instill a fear based control over you, why accept that concept of God if you agree it to be an obviously false concept?
But ok good point, why believe in God? I have no reason to believe in God either, I was just forced to come to this conclusion against my own will. Also wether God is an super advanced alien child doesn't make any difference here, the idea is that logic leads to us having a creator, just as we in the future through science are going to create life ourself. So denying this possibility is denying science.
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Re: A question to all Atheists..? [Re: microdotty]
#14180825 - 03/25/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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microdotty said: If all of you found out for a fact that God did exist..., say like Jesus Christ appeared in front of you when you were fully awake and sober and told you, you were going to Hell unless you changed the way you live your life, would you change it?
Would you give up drugs..? Would you live by the bible..?
Speaking that Jesus showed you a vision of Hell and it was the worst most horrible place you could ever imagine to be..
Worst horrible place I could imagine to be... hmm.. not so bad. I choose hell.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Godhand]
#14181519 - 03/25/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Godhand said: Very interesting topic, why does God need to exist before people will change their life?
If God would threaten us with hell, we would change our life, but as long as he doesn't, we won't. Isn't it this attitude that is creating hell in the first place?
Suppose everyone suddenly decides to change their life, wouldn't earth change from hell into utopia in mere seconds, as the world is created solely by us? So why don't we? Why do we choose to create hell over heaven? Is it just because of our spite against God being such a prick?
They say we can have heaven on earth. I really think we do just ruin it for one another. Being good for goodness, is goodness. Being good for reward is mercenary. We ruin our own heaven.
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Godhand said: Lol good point, why doesn't God give us the shematic? Even if we don't have it, isn't that the purpose of science, to try and figure it out? And when we do figure it out, won't this put us on the same level as God as we will be able to create life just like he did?
So one day we will reach the same level as God, through science, being able to create life, so how can we deny the possibility of God creating life when we are pretty much trying to achieve the exact same thing through science?
I don't have physical proof for God, but I do have logic which tells me that one day we will be able to do the same thing we claim God couldn't do. Isn't this contradiction logical proof of God?
When you take a test does the teacher hand you all the answers? Life is a test. No one will give you the answer, you need to figure it out on your own.
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why do people need to think there is some sort of god even though we constantly learn things attributed to it became explainable through science.
What is science based on? Observation? Does science explain the unobservable?
Science explains how, not why. Science tells you how gravity works, not why gravity works.
Science is a faculty that is limited. Something limited will not explain the infinite.
I am an atheist, but i believe in a greater explanation. Science does not hold this explanation.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Godhand]
#14181610 - 03/25/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Godhand said: Very interesting topic, why does God need to exist before people will change their life?
If God would threaten us with hell, we would change our life, but as long as he doesn't, we won't. Isn't it this attitude that is creating hell in the first place?
Suppose everyone suddenly decides to change their life, wouldn't earth change from hell into utopia in mere seconds, as the world is created solely by us? So why don't we? Why do we choose to create hell over heaven? Is it just because of our spite against God being such a prick?
No....
Listen, why do people who believe in god think that people who don't believe in god run around making the world a worse place?
If jesus or an angel appeared to me and told me that I'd go to hell unless I changed my life and followed the bible, I would do it (of course). I would not have to make any big changes though. I already do not steal, I already do not hurt other people. I already believe that it is the responsibility of every person to make the world a better place than it was before I existed, or at least to not make the world a worse place.
I do many things that the bible says not to...premarital sex, using the lords name in vain, ignoring the sabbath, etc. Stupid things like that which have nothing to do with the quality of life in the world.
I don't have to believe in hell to try to live a good life, and I don't understand why many christians think that athiests must have no moral codes.
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Re: A question to all aithists..? [Re: Shroomerette]
#14182029 - 03/25/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The same reason atheists believe Christians are out to get them.
Close mindedness.
Being good for reward is not mercenary. Anything we do there is gain. That's the way of the world. If we did good to be good, we gain good. Life is a math problem where everything thing put into it results in the end product and that cannot be gained without all the variables.
-------------------- I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need. Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not. -fngbronco Pill Divider Agar Tek
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Re: A question to all Atheists..? [Re: microdotty]
#14187570 - 03/26/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How would I know what "follow the bible" means? The book isn't clear, at all, and I don't think faith would help untie that knot.
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Re: A question to all Atheists..? [Re: microdotty]
#14202397 - 03/29/11 05:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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im not atheist, but i dont believe in god. if jesus showed up in front of me i wouldnt think of him as anything more then you or me. if he showed me a vision of hell im sure it wouldnt be that bad. i believe that hell is however you make it in your head and if you believe thats where your going when you die. then thats where you will go when you die. its all on how you percieve afterlife after you die. so some advice...dont think of hell as a bad place.
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