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Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns
    #14165137 - 03/22/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Over the past ~1.5 years, I have been storing several tabs of relatively potent LSD in the following way.

The tabs are wrapped multiple times in aluminum foil.

The aluminum foil is contained within a tissue folded up many times.

The tissue is stored within a sealed prescription container, which is wrapped in tape to prevent light from leaking in.

The prescription container is stored inside a locked safe.

The safe is kept on the floor under a bed at essentially all times to prevent the sun from striking it directly when the windows are open.

The room in which the safe is contained is generally cold in the winter (60 degrees F or less) and is warm for periods of time before I put the AC in during the Spring. During the summer, the room is usually ~60 F except for certain times I turn the AC off, during which time the temperature may rise to the 70's and sometimes 80s, though only briefly.


The first time I took acid was with this batch. I took one tab and the experience was quite strong. I'm sure ego loss would have occurred with 2 hits. This was after storing it in these conditions for ~6 months from roughly December-May.

I am interested in an estimate of degradation of the substance so far and if it would be a good idea to move it to a fridge. As I can tell the biggest issue overall is heat, as light, water, and oxygen exposure are negligible since I never really open the container or remove it from the safe.

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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14165179 - 03/22/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The safe is kept on the floor under a bed at essentially all times to prevent the sun from striking it directly when the windows are open.



:lol::lol: Im pretty sure the foil is sufficient to keep the light away. You should keep your shit in the fridge below 0oC. Thats the ultimate way.


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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: mellowparty]
    #14165201 - 03/22/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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mellowparty said:
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The safe is kept on the floor under a bed at essentially all times to prevent the sun from striking it directly when the windows are open.



:lol::lol: Im pretty sure the foil is sufficient to keep the light away. You should keep your shit in the fridge below 0oC. Thats the ultimate way.




RIght but if the sun struck the safe for an extended period that would lead to heat build up. I just want to know if I am likely to have lost significant potency by this time and if putting it in the fridge will be worth it as I prefer to keep my stuff in one place.

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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14165236 - 03/22/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yes but I'm pretty sure you'd store your acid away from the sunlight anyway. Just stick it in the fridge. That would preserve it for a fairly long period of time.

I suppose that it would be terribly stable in nitrogen (gaseous) and in the fridge.


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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: mellowparty]
    #14165278 - 03/22/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Holy shit, reading the description of how you stored that flashed me back to agent 86 from Get Smart!

Too bad you don't have a cone of silence too!

For any of you young'uns, you may need to google "get smart".


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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: LanLord]
    #14165473 - 03/22/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am trying to establish a rate of degradation under the specified conditions. Have I lost roughly a quarter potency, half, no way to know?

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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14166028 - 03/22/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You're trying way too hard. Just wrap it in tinfoil, which forms an air-tight, water-tight seal and completely blocks light from reaching your tabs. No need to store them in fridge; if your house stays at a comfortable temperature for you, your acid will be fine.

Just stick them in a drawer or someplace safe. Your safe would be fine, though a little paranoid.

Just to clarify: You haven't lost any potency. Your method was overkill, so your cid is fine.


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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: healing]
    #14166088 - 03/22/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I took hits well over a year old simply wrapped in foil, put in a dark container, and put in a drawer at room temperature. These same hits were in a car for 3 days at a festival where the temperatures inside had to be well over 100 degrees F at times. They were just as potent as the day they were bought in my estimation.

I've heard some stories of condensation building up on foil in the freezer and ruining blotter, but I don't have personal knowledge of such events. I guess the fridge would be much less likely to have that happen. Even putting it in the fridge seems completely unnecessary though.

I'm sure they're fine and probably pretty much the same as when you got them.

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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: healing]
    #14166095 - 03/22/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

overkill
zero degradation
4 years in a photo slot in my wallet in my pocket.
always zero degradation if dry and dark.


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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14166111 - 03/22/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Dude its not liquor, its not going to get better with age...Drop that Shit!!!!!!!! Acid hoarder!:crazy2:

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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14166180 - 03/22/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I ate a few tabs that were like 5-6 years old and had simply been stored (and forgot about) in a small plastic bag inside of a book at room temperature. They were just as potent as I remember.

So to answer your question there is really "no way to know" but i'd be willing to be there is no noticable potency loss with your method, and it may even be a bit overkill.

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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: Subconscious]
    #14166380 - 03/22/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Jesus dude, ya really wanted to keep that acid safe didn't ya haha. im sure it'll be fine man.


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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: StrictlyCommercial]
    #14166722 - 03/22/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

People have found decades old acid in record sleeves and said it was just as potent.  You have the most fool-proof LSD storage method I've ever heard of, I think you're fine.

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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: tokinman21]
    #14167195 - 03/22/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the replies everyone! I feel a lot better about this now. I think I'll keep the acid out of the fridge.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have a critical temperature in mind wherein degradation starts to really take off? I read under 70 F is reasonable on another board.

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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #14167310 - 03/22/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

don't freak out about it. if you are trying to keep a time capsule or something then first off all don't choose blotter, go with microdots or a vial or crystal if you possibly can,

then keep it in an opaque container

let some nitrogen flow through the container until it displaces all the air

store it in a cool place, but I wouldn't freeze it

if its under a year or anything just keep it in foil in a cool dark area, thats it, thats all you need. I think its interesting how careful people are though, I think it shows the reverence people have for lsd :thumbup:


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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14167370 - 03/22/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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1tokeovrtheline said:
don't freak out about it. if you are trying to keep a time capsule or something then first off all don't choose blotter, go with microdots or a vial or crystal if you possibly can,

then keep it in an opaque container

let some nitrogen flow through the container until it displaces all the air

store it in a cool place, but I wouldn't freeze it

if its under a year or anything just keep it in foil in a cool dark area, thats it, thats all you need. I think its interesting how careful people are though, I think it shows the reverence people have for lsd :thumbup:




Whoa, that's such a good idea...I wanna make a time capsule for myself to open in 20 years and include a little box in it with a tenstrip and some good trippin' music!

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Re: Specific LSD Storage Question - Degradation Concerns [Re: tokinman21]
    #14167511 - 03/22/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

hell yeah dude, I'm hoping to get some microdots pretty soon, I'm planning on putting those and some peyote buttons, cannabis seeds or some stable form of weed, maybe some mimosa hostilis (not exactly sure about what drugs to put in, haven't looked up the specific degradation info on all of em yet, but ik peyote lasts for fuckn ever and in the conditions I described I should be able to do just about anything)

then probably a pipe, some posters and cds, etc.

should be awesome....doubt I'll ever report back though lol


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