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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie]
    #14165623 - 03/22/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think you should maybe back up your own suspicion, which smacks of the racism you're accusing people of, that blacks simply commit more crime.




I would, but then you would just blame any evidence I bring on racist white cops and judges.  That is how white guilt works.  :wink:





It really does seem like you are the one with the preconceived beliefs.

I tried but I do not understand youre argument here based on what dude said earlier.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie]
    #14165629 - 03/22/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So I guess it's a stalemate?

I tend to go with what my personal experiences tell me over what statistics tell me, and my personal experiences have shown me that blacks are treated unfairly, in a disorganized but consistent way, by the system.

That you would attribute my own interpretation of my own experiences to "white guilt" is a major insult to my intelligence.


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Re: More police brutality [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14165644 - 03/22/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I tend to go with what my personal experiences tell me over what statistics tell me




That sounds like a great way to navigate the world... :rolleyes: 

Such an attitude is how prejudices and stereotypes come about, people who want to believe what they think rather than what the world shows them.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie]
    #14165670 - 03/22/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:rofl2:

They were looking for a fight, and they found one. That is all I see in this video.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie] * 3
    #14165671 - 03/22/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Statistics can be manipulated. Surveys can be rigged. Studies can be biased.

Statistics do not "show me the world," they show me a sanitized, filtered, pre-chewed version of the world. To understand the world through statistics would be just as stupid as it would be to ignore statistics outright.

My own experiences, and the way I choose to interpret them, are an organic reaction to the environment immediately surrounding me. I consider them to be an order of magnitude more "real" than any idea that can be derived from studies alone.

It's a real debate-stopper to say that the things I've seen aren't true because of "white guilt," and I don't mean that in a positive way.


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Re: More police brutality [Re: Kada]
    #14165815 - 03/22/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Humility said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
I know a gay cop, hell of a cop, the ones that work with him say they dont
want to ride with him but if there's any sort of trouble, he's the one they
want for backup




You sure do know a lot of cops.





yes I do, I've even trained a few so they could stomp on peoples heads without getting hurt

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If you think that isn't police brutality you need to watch the video again.





as I asked you to point out, what's the brutality portion

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14165869 - 03/22/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

He front slams her on the ground face first.

Anyways, check this video out. Gee I wonder what happened and it's no surprise how it was handled afterwards.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #14165911 - 03/22/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That's a national statistic, it's not some conspiracy.

Look at the percentage of white police officers and black inmates




You choose to look at that situation and declare that it must be racist white officers because that is the white guilt that schools has shoved down society's throat.





White Guilt? :lmafo:



Thats a good one, As soon as someone calls out a group of whites being racist suddenly the person calling them out is racist I guess If I was to call the KKK racist Id be pushing white guilt on to them, no? Its almost as if that type of reaction is breed into you people, what your like calling whites racist!? your the the racist one man

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14166018 - 03/22/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"White guilt" is nothing but a way to justify racism by discrediting the accusers as emotional and unintellectual.

I agree with the idea that some white people have undue guilt complexes about the history of Western civilization, but to bring the idea into a debate about the role of race in public policy is astonishingly inappropriate. It's a catch-all defense of a status quo that disproportionately favors people who are white.

I bet plantation owners in the 19th century accused abolitionists of "white guilt" too. :facepalm:


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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie]
    #14166058 - 03/22/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Its not a cop out, its the truth. 

Here are the statistics,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Current_crime_rate_statistics

You can either believe them, or claim that cops and judges are racist.  I suspect you will do the later.

(note that whites are not the most crime free)




I don't care to jump in with my opinions on this debate as everyone is doing well on there own. But I do have a question. Can't anyone edit wikipedia? I know when I write a paper if I used wikipedia as a source I would get no credit for it. Is there another source or two on this?

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Re: More police brutality [Re: biff]
    #14166067 - 03/22/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Sources are cited in the notes. You can find the note by clicking on the little numbered hyperlinks that pop up throughout articles. In this case, you're looking for #26.


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Re: More police brutality [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14166083 - 03/22/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Sources are cited in the notes. You can find the note by clicking on the little numbered hyperlinks that pop up throughout articles. In this case, you're looking for #26.



Learn something new every day. :thumbup:Thanks

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Re: More police brutality [Re: biff]
    #14166096 - 03/22/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wikipedia should never be used as a source, but it's the best damn way to find references on God's green earth.


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Re: More police brutality [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14166154 - 03/22/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Id like to see a graph and detailed statistics on the variability between sentencing and your race, thats what you need to see to be able to determine weather or not a judge or the lawyers are racist and in my experience they generally are.


:ilold: At the hate crime stats.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14166158 - 03/22/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Id like to see a graph and detailed statistics on the variability between sentencing and race, thats what you need to see to be able to determine weather or not a judge or the lawyers are racist and in my experience they generally are.


:ilold: At the hate crime stats.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Kada]
    #14166569 - 03/22/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Kada said:
He front slams her on the ground face first.





that's what happens when people arent compliant, everyone over the age of 12 knows this shit

as for the other woman in the video you posted, I already posted that, said
it was brutality, was it provoked? who knows.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14166623 - 03/22/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Id like to see a graph and detailed statistics on the variability between sentencing and race, thats what you need to see to be able to determine weather or not a judge or the lawyers are racist and in my experience they generally are.


:ilold: At the hate crime stats.





blacks tend to repeat offend more than whites, blacks also tend to commit
crimes right out in the open, 'slangin' crack for instance, when's the last
time you saw a white guy selling drugs on a street corner, in my 43 years,
never once have I seen it but I have frequently seen large numbers of blacks
doing it, they just walk up to your window and offer you what ever

is it racism when some black guy is too stupid to stay off the corner
even after he's been busted in the same spot twice?

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14166668 - 03/22/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Id like to see a graph and detailed statistics on the variability between sentencing and race, thats what you need to see to be able to determine weather or not a judge or the lawyers are racist and in my experience they generally are.


:ilold: At the hate crime stats.





blacks tend to repeat offend more than whites, blacks also tend to commit
crimes right out in the open, 'slangin' crack for instance, when's the last
time you saw a white guy selling drugs on a street corner, in my 43 years,
never once have I seen it but I have frequently seen large numbers of blacks
doing it, they just walk up to your window and offer you what ever

is it racism when some black guy is too stupid to stay off the corner
even after he's been busted in the same spot twice?







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Re: More police brutality [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14166942 - 03/22/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Id like to see a graph and detailed statistics on the variability between sentencing and race, thats what you need to see to be able to determine weather or not a judge or the lawyers are racist and in my experience they generally are.


:ilold: At the hate crime stats.





blacks tend to repeat offend more than whites, blacks also tend to commit
crimes right out in the open, 'slangin' crack for instance, when's the last
time you saw a white guy selling drugs on a street corner, in my 43 years,
never once have I seen it but I have frequently seen large numbers of blacks
doing it, they just walk up to your window and offer you what ever

is it racism when some black guy is too stupid to stay off the corner
even after he's been busted in the same spot twice?




I should have specified first time offenders and for the same type of offense carried out under the same basic circumstances, Im willing to put money on whites getting at least 25% lighter sentence's

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14167637 - 03/22/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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