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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie]
    #14164967 - 03/22/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

He wasn't pegging any attributes to any race; he was simply making the observation that white cops tend to fuck with non-whites more than non-white cops tend to fuck with people outside of their race. And I agree with him, in spite of blinding whiteness on my part, because it follows an understandable pattern, and I've seen it myself. I stamp this observation with my personal Germanic Seal of Non-Racism.


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Re: More police brutality [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14164992 - 03/22/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That's a national statistic, it's not some conspiracy.

Look at the percentage of white police officers and black inmates

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #14164995 - 03/22/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The vast majority of white cops seem to exhibit racist tendencies IME.




That sounds like a racist statement.


Why do you assume that is a racist statement? I've seen the same white cops who treat white people nicely treat non-whites with generally less respect; how can an unbiased observation be racist? :undecided:




It is racist if it is pegging an attribute to a particular race, which is what you did.


No I didn't, I said the vast majority of white cops seem to exhibit racist tendencies, not that all white people exhibit such tendencies, or that all white cops exhibit such tendencies--I'm pegging the attribute of "racist" to some police officers who commit racist acts and happen to be white, I don't see how this is racist.


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You are then arguing for the validity of your racist belief rather than arguing that its not pegged to race.


What belief? All I'm talking about is what I've experienced, which is why I said "IME".


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Why would an observation being unbiased have anything to do with it being racist or not?  It doesnt.


Why would it matter if an unbiased observation is "racist" (I still don't see how you can consider an observation to be racist)?

1) a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2) racial prejudice or discrimination



Would you honestly describe my experiences of white officers being racist as being indicative of me believing that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities & that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race, or that my said experiences indicate that I'm being prejudiced or discriminating against white people?


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Re: More police brutality [Re: Poid] * 2
    #14165036 - 03/22/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14165434 - 03/22/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Would you honestly describe my experiences of white officers being racist as being indicative of me believing that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities & that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race, or that my said experiences indicate that I'm being prejudiced or discriminating against white people?




Yes.  Otherwise you would not describe them as 'white' and would just be doing old fashioned stereotyping.  Im not saying you are wrong, Im just saying you are racist (or at least, are saying racist things).

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14165443 - 03/22/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That's a national statistic, it's not some conspiracy.

Look at the percentage of white police officers and black inmates




You choose to look at that situation and declare that it must be racist white officers because that is the white guilt that schools has shoved down society's throat.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #14165467 - 03/22/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Would you honestly describe my experiences of white officers being racist as being indicative of me believing that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities & that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race, or that my said experiences indicate that I'm being prejudiced or discriminating against white people?




Yes.  Otherwise you would not describe them as 'white' and would just be doing old fashioned stereotyping.  Im not saying you are wrong, Im just saying you are racist (or at least, are saying racist things).




I really disagree with this. It's a relevant observation, based upon personal experience, which none of us can refute. How can that be defined as racist? Racism is prejudice, and Poid is post-judging not pre-judging.


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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie]
    #14165477 - 03/22/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That's a national statistic, it's not some conspiracy.

Look at the percentage of white police officers and black inmates




You choose to look at that situation and declare that it must be racist white officers because that is the white guilt that schools has shoved down society's throat.




Well I wasnt necessarily saying they were related, I should have really just sited the percentage of black inmates.

Also, I was homeschooled and lived in a foreign country much of my life. No white guilt here, smart ass.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14165493 - 03/22/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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No white guilt here, smart ass.




Then why do you assume that its racist whites rather than blacks simply committing more crimes?  That is white guilt, and its pervasive.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14165503 - 03/22/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I really disagree with this. It's a relevant observation, based upon personal experience, which none of us can refute. How can that be defined as racist? Racism is prejudice, and Poid is post-judging not pre-judging.




Thats how all racists justify their belief.  Every racist will say their belief comes from personal experience and is post-judging.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #14165505 - 03/22/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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No white guilt here, smart ass.




Then why do you assume that its racist whites rather than blacks simply committing more crimes?  That is white guilt, and its pervasive.




Because he has personal experiences which indicate that many white cops treat black people (specifically) unfairly simply because they can get away with it.

I do too, and so does Poid. We've all seen it. It fucking happens, it has nothing to do with racism or "white guilt." I, for one, fucking hate cops in general, and I don't feel "guilty" when I see one who coincidentally shares my skin color behaving like a piece of shit. I just feel outraged.


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Re: More police brutality [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14165514 - 03/22/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The actual fact is blacks and whites commit the same amount of crime. But are there more blacks or whites in jail?

Point.

And saying it's any other reason(whites R smrtr so they get caught less, blacks commit more crime) is even more racist than just admitting the system is racist

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14165529 - 03/22/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The actual fact is blacks and whites commit the same amount of crime.




I think you are just making shit up to support your preconceived ideals.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie]
    #14165540 - 03/22/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The actual fact is blacks and whites commit the same amount of crime.




I think you are just making shit up to support your preconceived ideals.




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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie]
    #14165546 - 03/22/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The actual fact is blacks and whites commit the same amount of crime.




I think you are just making shit up to support your preconceived ideals.




I think you should maybe back up your own suspicion, which smacks of the racism you're accusing people of, that blacks simply commit more crime.

I'm not talking about prison populations here when I talk about cops abusing black people. I'm talking about cops who harass people needlessly, skip over Miranda rights, resort to violence at the drop of a hat, favor one person's alibi over that of another, et cetera. Just judging from my own experiences, they are far more likely to do these things with black suspects than with white suspects.


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Re: More police brutality [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14165560 - 03/22/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think you should maybe back up your own suspicion, which smacks of the racism you're accusing people of, that blacks simply commit more crime.




I would, but then you would just blame any evidence I bring on racist white cops and judges.  That is how white guilt works.  :wink:

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie]
    #14165570 - 03/22/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

My ignore buttin getting a lot of love in these last few days. I think that super moon really brought out the full on retard in some people

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Re: More police brutality [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14165572 - 03/22/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The actual fact is blacks and whites commit the same amount of crime.




I think you are just making shit up to support your preconceived ideals.




Just judging from my own experiences, they are far more likely to do these things with black suspects than with white suspects.





I see it on a weekly basis where I live. Its pretty fucking silly to see so often.

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Re: More police brutality [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #14165597 - 03/22/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think you should maybe back up your own suspicion, which smacks of the racism you're accusing people of, that blacks simply commit more crime.




I would, but then you would just blame any evidence I bring on racist white cops and judges.  That is how white guilt works.  :wink:




That sounds like a cop-out to me.

I'm disappointed, you're usually a pretty cool poster DieCommie, but I have not seen you at your best today.


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Re: More police brutality [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14165614 - 03/22/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Its not a cop out, its the truth. 

Here are the statistics,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Current_crime_rate_statistics

You can either believe them, or claim that cops and judges are racist.  I suspect you will do the later.

(note that whites are not the most crime free)

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