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topdog82
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What led the decline of the hippie movement?
#14165455 - 03/22/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Was it the decline and illegality of LSD? My friend said that the hippie movment started to become a "fad" with lots of fakes, and overtime, people lost interest in it
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: topdog82]
#14165464 - 03/22/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the whole thing imploded when people realized that everyone on the commune was waiting for someone else to actually provide housing, food, water, child care etc. At some point, you gotta be a responsible adult.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: LanLord]
#14165478 - 03/22/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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every acid head has a piece of "hippy" inside them!
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: microdotty]
#14165599 - 03/22/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The big hippie movement in the late 60's declined because of the introduction of harder drugs on the scene like heroin and cocaine. Also the media generating negative stereotypes of hippies, and the making lsd illegal. The term "Hippy" really is just a label for someone who is counter-culture. That said, I don't really think "hippies" have gone anywhere, they just look different now and aren't as easily recognizable. To quote my favourite band, Subhumans, "labels are a subtle way of keeping us in line, divided by conformity we waste away our time, we are all individuals divided by their rituals, think again like I have done--throw away the labels!"
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: microdotty]
#14165615 - 03/22/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The ideals the 60's started out with were very "real" and "serious", they were trying to escape dependence upon civilization as it causes too much cruelty, discontent, war, poverty, suicide, and insanity.
It started as many other important movements have started, with a few intelligent people trying to break away from society and isolate themselves from the "fake" masses.
Those who seek out ideals simply to belong to a group and not for the ideals themselves have always been the bane of informed action. Those who led the movement saw something beautiful in psychedelics and became psychonauts, those who followed them were usually junkies who would do anything to get fucked up or belong.
Sadly, after years of the hippie movement becoming further and further diluted by these junkies the hard drugs took over, psychedelics were illegalized(making good drug supply much more difficult/the uniform of the hippie now a beacon to cops), and the ideals became simply a fashion statement.
Also much more violent movements came about in response which cut the last threads holding together the tie dye bandanna of the hippies. The Vietnam war ended to which took away their unifying point, the thing that would rally them together, willing to fight the man, which gave them a sense of purpose.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: Wise Toad]
#14165650 - 03/22/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jews, ermmm jews and Jewish Nazi Zionists. nah joking, harder Drugs which were cheaper and easier to make
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: 245willow19]
#14167142 - 03/22/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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When LSD started to get Demonized.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: juloxx]
#14167194 - 03/22/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think it was a number of things, the ending of the war, the demonization of acid/hippie culture, the death of jim morrison/jimi hendrix etc, and the sale of harder drugs also, once again, i think that there were many "fakes" who needed something to latch onto
the death of famous musicians due to hard drugs probably tainted the image of counterculture
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: topdog82]
#14167441 - 03/22/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you should watch a documentary on the Summer of Love. it explains it pretty well.
part of it was lsd, but not so much the illegality of it as much as the increasing amount of people having difficulties from doing it like you wouldn't fuckn believe (I mean its one of the safest drugs around, but theres no denying that doing it too much can bring about some psychological difficulties, and some hippies thought basically "the more the better") and there were some lsd "casualties". but honestly that was a pretty small part of it which IMO hurt them more in the media and the resulting public perception helped to justify increased spending on the "war on drugs" and demonized the hippies in the minds of mainstream americans.
mostly though it was that their ideology fell through because it wasn't pragmatic. You see in san fransisco there were hipster beatniks that hung around cafes by the docks, discussing philosophy, wearing black, drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes, and doing that beatnik poetry jim morrison was so found of (you know, that weird snapping with a drum saying random shit that doesn't rhyme? really modern artsy avant garde stuff). Low income housing opened up in the haight ashbury area of san fran and some of these beatniks moved over there. they began to hang out in the park, wearing colorful clothing, and doing drugs-the hipsters mockingly called these people "hippies" as in ignorant, immature type poser hipsters.
one of the main ideals of hippies (which came from ivy league college protesters) was fighting against capitalism and "the man", so hippies tried to set up "free love" economic systems, like stores that literally just gave stuff away for free and co-ops. eventually they were evicted from apartments, their free love economy ideas couldn't support the whole movement, nixon cracked down harder on drugs, vietnam ended (also one of the main points which fueled the movement), people started getting hooked on stuff like heroin and coke and the drug scene began to turn darker (look up pablo escobar), and just generally things turned to shit-hippies who had walked the streets of san fran for years homeless and jobless now couldn't support themselves without the community they had relied on, the high hopes for their movement were not accomplished at all, etc etc etc.
many hippies moved to communes (some had before then too of course) to try to keep their dream alive, many gave up and got jobs and assimilated into society to varying degrees, and some went underground and dispersed like the brotherhood of eternal love.
oh and a lot of it was that people actually started to become very violent to hippie protesters (was it in chicago or something? I forget but somewhere cops killed a few protesters and a bunch were injured and shit)
also have you seen fear and loathing? it talks about how things turned darker and people lost the spiritual meaning of the hippies and stuff just turned into addiction and lust and violence, and thompsons theory, moved to las vegas
anyways, today more people do psychedelic drugs than ever before, more people than ever are concerned about the environment, weed is beginning to be accepted and well on its way to legalization, there is far more acceptance of "other" cultures and religions and more people are "converting" to eastern type religions and "alternative" spiritual ideas, etc etc etc, so finally we are seeing some fruits of the hippie movements, but IMO anything that is nonviolent and does things mostly the right way like they did will suffer some losses and take time to really take effect, and its not like they were perfect of course, they had flaws, but the truth will outlast any criticism and all the other stuff will be lost to the sands of time
ps sorry if I got any details off or anything, I typed it just off the top of my head
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
#14167474 - 03/22/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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 to answer your question
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: alcoholocaust]
#14168321 - 03/23/11 03:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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MTV, fox news, the media in general, the government, reality TV, Justin Bieber?
basically dumb f**king monkey like brain dead morons overtook the world and heavily outnumbered us, so their laws won. So now the questions and answers of the universe that can be experienced through things like psychedelics are feared and outlawed because of propaganda and lies spread through the media circus. Survival of the fittest I guess.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: Austrip]
#14168522 - 03/23/11 06:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Once the scumbags figured out there was lots of free drugs and pussy, that was the end of it.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
#14168681 - 03/23/11 07:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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1tokeovrtheline said: today more people do psychedelic drugs than ever before, more people than ever are concerned about the environment, weed is beginning to be accepted and well on its way to legalization, there is far more acceptance of "other" cultures and religions and more people are "converting" to eastern type religions and "alternative" spiritual ideas, etc etc etc, so finally we are seeing some fruits of the hippie movements, but IMO anything that is nonviolent and does things mostly the right way like they did will suffer some losses and take time to really take effect, and its not like they were perfect of course, they had flaws, but the truth will outlast any criticism and all the other stuff will be lost to the sands of time
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: Aldebaran]
#14169085 - 03/23/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A massive spread of disinformation played a big role in the decline as well. This was before the information age where you could look things up on your iPhone while you're taking a shit. They even banned literature about psychedelics and the like from libraries. It was a golden era for propaganda and misinformation, for sure.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: topdog82]
#14169103 - 03/23/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: Was it the decline and illegality of LSD? My friend said that the hippie movment started to become a "fad" with lots of fakes, and overtime, people lost interest in it
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: GrizzlyBear]
#14169413 - 03/23/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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1. A lot of hippies were middle/upper class kids with nothing else to do 2. Hippies were not very organized or formalized so they had no structure.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: topdog82]
#14169992 - 03/23/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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topdog82 said: Was it the decline and illegality of LSD? My friend said that the hippie movment started to become a "fad" with lots of fakes, and overtime, people lost interest in it
I think the fact that drugged up teenagers were leading it may have played a role.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: RealRollForever]
#14170202 - 03/23/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is complicated question with complicated answers. The "Hippie Movement" was different things to different people.
A great book to read in relation to this subject is
ACID Dreams - The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, the Sixties, and Beyond
Many of your questions regarding the "decline" will be answered in this book.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: Ouija]
#14171274 - 03/23/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ouija said: The big hippie movement in the late 60's declined because of the introduction of harder drugs on the scene like heroin and cocaine. Also the media generating negative stereotypes of hippies, and the making lsd illegal. The term "Hippy" really is just a label for someone who is counter-culture. That said, I don't really think "hippies" have gone anywhere, they just look different now and aren't as easily recognizable. To quote my favourite band, Subhumans, "labels are a subtle way of keeping us in line, divided by conformity we waste away our time, we are all individuals divided by their rituals, think again like I have done--throw away the labels!"
Yep...that's the short, Reader's Digest version. The truth be told it was multi-factorial. Nixon declared a "War on Drugs" and Congress made virtually all the harmless psychedelics illegal and pursued the purveyors of pot, hash, and LSD with a vengence.
In the meanwhile tens of thousands of Vietnam Veterans returned with serious heroin addictions and brought their problem to the masses as they needed their drugs from abroad brought home to them, so the hard stuff ended up insinuating itself in to non-veteran, poorer populations, from whence it spread. The "movement" fell victim to its own lust for a higher high and the demonization of ALL drugs without discriminating between psychedelics and the more socially destructive opiates and stimulants, such as heroin, meth, and cocaine.
In the end, it was the laws, the media, the fear (oh, the children!) and the increasingly negative propaganda across the board for "drugs" generally associated with hiipie ideals that killed the entire movement.
We hippies are still alive and well, just gone totally covert. Two can play THAT cat and mouse game! Sadly, we're quite isolated and disjointed, but are able to come together in forums such as this. We've learned to play the game of covert, responsible drug use. IMHO, I'll be a hipster till I'm planted in the grave.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: topdog82]
#14171307 - 03/23/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushrooms make you gay, hippies don't reproduce, movement dies out, simples
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: Spiderbaby]
#14171499 - 03/23/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: alcoholocaust]
#14171545 - 03/23/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think "hard drugs" had anything to do with it, unless you fastforward to freebase/crack cocaine.
Heroin, cocaine, amphetamines etc had been round for decades by then and were by no means rare. Read some William Burroughs if you need evidence of that.
A complete lack of organisation is more likely the key, all the movement leaders were too spaced out/ridiculous to really make an impact on culture. Plus they grew up, those same people are now CEO's etc. Time changes all people and youthful exuberance never lasts forever.
Think it's that simple, they worked out they wanted money and kids and couldn't do acid forever. Will happen to 99% of you/us eventually.
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Re: What led the decline of the hippie movement? [Re: egodeathflux]
#14171673 - 03/23/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hard drugs, bad press from Charles Manson and Altamont, Nixon, etc. Many factors led to the decline in my opinion.
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