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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: naum]
#14183174 - 03/25/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry we've hijacked your thread, 3hree1ne3hree.
Keep in mind the a lot of the confusion regarding Trichocereus started with people like Karl Kinze (google him) selling mislabeled seed and live specimens many years ago. From those mislabeled specimens and seeds, seeds were produced by European and US nursery men and labeled according with the 'original' names. Many generations of this and a lot of the seed out there isn't what it claims to be by no fault of the grower. This is probably the case with your source and it's the problem with buying seed from people who don't specialize in Trichocereus or at least provide photos of mother plants. The fact that most Trichocereus are self-infertile also complicates the matter as open pollination led and still leads to unlabeled and unknown hybrids. All of those are major reasons the genus is such a Gordian knot.
The best seed comes from people who make their own and are interested about the issue of Trichocereus taxonomy.
In my mind, Sacred Succulents is probably the best vendor source for Trichocereus seed in general at the moment. They've been studying the genus for almost two decades now. They sell wild collected seed with collection information and photos. If the species of that wild collected seed is uncertain it is sold as 'Trichocereus sp. BK.......' or 'Trichocereus validus? NL.......' They sell seed they produce themselves including hybrid crosses. If an unlabeled seed pod pops up they are honest about it and sell it as 'Mother X ???'.
The other sources of seed which are stellar are some of the members at the Australian board SAB which are making hybrids between well documented Australian clones like Psycho 0, Bruce, Eileen, Super Pedro, etc. In terms of potency, these crosses are probably the best bet. All of this member produced seed is resold by at least three of the Australian vendors and I believe at least two of them ship world wide. Likewise, there have been several rounds of seed from non-Australian forums in the past several years which have been equally as interesting. On all forum sourced seed I've had 95%+ germination rates. As forum members' collections grow, I suspect this will become the best source of seed except wild collected seed.
Growing seed for potency is silly--are you going to grow 25-100 specimens to maturity and then bioassay every single one? Even in wild populations, the potency seems to be highly variable. If potency is the main concern, growing bridgesii seems to never disappoint, but then you miss out on the chance to find specimens of pachanoi and peruvianus which contain 5% mescaline w/w of dry flesh.
While it's not applicable to your location, growing for cold tolerance, water tolerance is a much wiser, or lack of spines is much wiser if one is located in a zone where Trichocereus might stand a chance. I live in an area which is 9b in name, but is much more extreme with hurricanes, floods, ~80 inches of rainfall annually, the occasional sub 20 F freeze, 105 F summers, and long periods of drought. Terscheckii do pretty well here, but pachanoi and peruvanius are victims of freezes and bridgesii of too much water. That's why I'm particularly interested in terscheckii X (bridgesii, peruvianus, pachanoi, scopulicola) crosses. Once the seed grown specimens prove themselves to nature or to my eye, clones will be passed around and I imagine bioassays will begin.
WSS is a great sponsor/vendor, but he's relatively new and doesn't grow his own seed. I don't know the source of his seed and I doubt he wants to divulge it, but WSS is not someone I would personally buy Trichocereus seed from if I was concerned about origin.
Edit: I'm also interested in cuzco crosses as my seed grown cuzco (sold as a peruvianius of course) has taken everything the climate has thrown at it with only a cup on the tip during sub 25 F freezes.
Well naum you have saved me some time. I agree whith all of the above and I would like to say that your explanation of this tricky subject is to be commended. How do I give this man 5 shrooms?
GGTbod In regard to growing for potency I think the only way is to grow from cuttings as it is faster and you know what you are getting every time. Some of the aussie bridgesii clones such as Eileen and Psycho0 are proven fat and fast growers and they produce a lot of pups.In one season a couple of mother plants can produce a large amount of flesh if thats what you are into. I personally just love the plants and I am collecting as many different clones and crosses that I can find including planting seeds from some interesting crosses produced by SAB members. The one plant that every one wants to cross is Eileen but for some reason it doesn't seem to flower but I am sure one day some one will work out what it problem is and get it to flower. A cross with Eileen and super pedro or Eileen and Psycho0 would be really cool. What I am trying to say is finding the right plant and propagating it is the way to go. Planting a heap of seeds that you have purchased as pach and then waiting all that for them to mature and then finding out they are not what you wanted would be depressing where in those 5 years you could have a number of massive bridgesii plants producing kilos of material each year of a guaranteed quality.
Cheers Got
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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: GoOnThen]
#14183255 - 03/25/11 06:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree totally, i am doing both of these things, any cacti i find that is potent i propagate and i have been doing this since my first trich, ive got many clones of the same trich that i have already sampled the flesh from. But due to how beautiful the bridgesii and the other trich seeds ive planted made me decided to plant many many seeds literally in their thousands and see where my hobby leads.
Once they start to get a decent size it will be at the least very interesting but my main focus is always on my Peyotes.
Altho the thread was hijacked the original topic was totally covered and the rest of the trich knowledge is good to know
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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: GGTBod]
#14183359 - 03/25/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry if that sounded pushy but the nature of forums is you really dont know where the other person is at and tend to make assumptions. If you are growing Trichs with the same dedication that you show with your Lophs I am sure you have or will have some stunning plants.
Cheers Got
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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: GoOnThen]
#14183496 - 03/25/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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All good man, i am forum wise and understand how it is, we are all sharing our own perspectives and we are all passionate in our own ways about our plants and the experiences with them. I am always of the thought that i know so little and anything i think i know is based purely on perspective, perspectives change and so does understanding. If this does not happpen we know and learn nothing and might as well still be running around in the belief that the world is flat and the universe revolves around us and the all might God created all just for us little monkeys who he made in his own image along with the rest of all creation in 7 days ap[proximately 12'000 years ago.
I used to be a proper forum-whore on the speedcore/hardcore music scene years ago, now I read many forums but I only post here and that is because over the years i've lost count of how many pieces of priceless perspective i have put to good use from this site usually via google search and they have always been spot on, because of this i decided that i was in debt to the site and should share some of my perspectives back with everyone.
I do hope one day to have as potent a collection of tricho's as i do my Loph's, cheers for the posivibes
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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: GGTBod]
#14188898 - 03/26/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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GGTBod said:
I used to be a proper forum-whore on the speedcore/hardcore music scene years ago, now I read many forums but I only post here and that is because over the years i've lost count of how many pieces of priceless perspective i have put to good use from this site usually via google search and they have always been spot on, because of this i decided that i was in debt to the site and should share some of my perspectives back with everyone.
I do hope one day to have as potent a collection of tricho's as i do my Loph's, cheers for the posivibes
Hell yeah, you like hardcore ? what era of hardcore or scene were you involved in ?
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94 to modern day, used to a Rezerection baby back in the 90's, raved all over Europe especially Holland and Germany, check my Youtube channel it is all videos i've shot and edited over the years at various events big and small
http://www.youtube.com/user/ggtbod?feature=mhum#p/u/0/8WO3hUsGthY
Are you a hardcore fiend?
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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: GGTBod]
#14193648 - 03/27/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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 There we go! Freshly planted base and tip. Im waiting a little longer for the log portion to dry. The base is very short, do you think it will have buds? Also, any suggestions?
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