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San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing)
    #14165419 - 03/22/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hello,
I would like to propagate a san pedro on its side, but am a bit lost as to how I should go about doing this. I've googled it and found a limited amount of info on it.
Could anyone offer any general tips or info?
Also, I have one specific question:
Does the cutting have to be cut at both ends? My san pedro cutting appears to be more broken off(than cut off) at the base of where it branched out, and the tip is intact.
 

tl;dr How do I grow this sideways?:squirrelnut:


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #14166832 - 03/22/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #14167537 - 03/22/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It doesn't have to be cut at both end. The tip will curve as it grows to be pointing straight upward. However, without intervention you likely won't see any other pups until the growing tip is cut off.

Use a more sharply draining mixture than you normally would for a Trichocereus to discourage rot since more of the epidermis will be in contact with the soil. Also be sure to water a little more carefully.

It should relatively quick to throw out roots; they seem to like to side root. Don't plant too deeply 1/3 buried is great.


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #14167556 - 03/22/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How long is that section you have there?

If its long enough you could get three cuttings out of it.

Cut the tip off (about 5 or 6" worth) and let is callous and plant it vertically.

Then if your remaining piece is long enough, cut it in half and plat both pieces horizontally,after letting them callous.

Or if it isnt long enough for 3 pieces just make your tip cutting a bit longer than 5 inches to make sure it has enough


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
    #14169499 - 03/23/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It doesn't have to be cut at both end. The tip will curve as it grows to be pointing straight upward. However, without intervention you likely won't see any other pups until the growing tip is cut off.

Use a more sharply draining mixture than you normally would for a Trichocereus to discourage rot since more of the epidermis will be in contact with the soil. Also be sure to water a little more carefully.

It should relatively quick to throw out roots; they seem to like to side root. Don't plant too deeply 1/3 buried is great.



That sounds interesting! would it pup at the other end though?
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aNeway2sayHooray said:
How long is that section you have there?

If its long enough you could get three cuttings out of it.

Cut the tip off (about 5 or 6" worth) and let is callous and plant it vertically.

Then if your remaining piece is long enough, cut it in half and plat both pieces horizontally,after letting them callous.

Or if it isnt long enough for 3 pieces just make your tip cutting a bit longer than 5 inches to make sure it has enough



It is 8.5 inches, thank you both for the help! Now im stuck trying to decide!:tongue:


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #14169568 - 03/23/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cacti only pup at the base.  If it is from the middle of the cactus it is a branch  and from the tip is an offset.

  After all if you wanna learn the botany of it then you may as well do it right because you wouldnt call the roots  a flower would you???


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #14169633 - 03/23/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

As I said not without intervention. It will only pup from the other end in my experience once the tip is cut and even then it might just pup a couple of times where you cut it.

There is a way to induce pups using a chemical which regulates plant growth--that could give you several pups along the stem.


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: naum]
    #14170770 - 03/23/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

like wich chemical?


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: AIRDOG]
    #14170820 - 03/23/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: Cactii]
    #14170885 - 03/23/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: naum]
    #14175150 - 03/24/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for the help everybody!


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #14175562 - 03/24/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Alrighty, I've cut it into 2 parts. The tip I will root vertically, while the lower half is going horizontally.

I am wondering.. what kind of growth can I expect from the broken off base of the branch? Will there be buds on that end? Or am I going to have to cut it even shorter?:confused:


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #14176029 - 03/24/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would cut an inch off the base end for pure visual reasons once it was a log root base, I would also plant the piece i cut off the bottom once it has calloused, it might grow a pup it might not if you dont plant tho it definitely won't pup.

I have just done my very first Peyote button graft onto a 2 year old pedro seedling, i cut it low and got a tip and a log to cultivate, i'll load up some pics once i get them in the ground.

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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: GGTBod]
    #14176046 - 03/24/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

is that a Bridgesoid?? it has similar characteristics to my Bridgesoid


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: GGTBod]
    #14176102 - 03/24/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I would cut an inch off the base end for pure visual reasons once it was a log root base, I would also plant the piece i cut off the bottom once it has calloused, it might grow a pup it might not if you dont plant tho it definitely won't pup.

I have just done my very first Peyote button graft onto a 2 year old pedro seedling, i cut it low and got a tip and a log to cultivate, i'll load up some pics once i get them in the ground.

:goodluck:



Are you suggesting that it would bud even if I left the base on? And yes, I plan on planting the tip. Maybe even for a future graft! :wink:
I would love to see the pictures, especially one of the log.:grin:
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is that a Bridgesoid?? it has similar characteristics to my Bridgesoid



I don't know, it was sold to me with 4 other(very large) cuttings as San Pedro. I decided to save it for planting. I have never heard the term Bridgesoid, could you elaborate?


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #14176189 - 03/24/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Trichocereus Bridgesii also known as Echninopsis Bridgesii is a type of San pedro cacti that is regularly reported as being a much higher high due to the flesh containing mild Monamine Oxide inhibitors aswell as mescaline.

Mono Amine oxides are naturally present in our guts and blood and break down things like tryptamines and enzymes, these inhibitors slow this down and in some cases stop it for a period of time, this allows you to absorb more of the alkaloid or tryptamine through the blood brain barrier intensifying the experience.

here is a shot of one of my Bridgesii it is about 8 years old i bought it as a small seedling and then cut it to a stump to make a cuttings each time it has grow a bud i have repotted and burried the growth point of the cacti and make in central in the new pot, i tried to load another pic of the cuttins I have taken over the years but i have ran out of space, next time it grows up i am eating some, I shockingly have neglected this as a possible eater favouring the more infamous varieties i grow, im a sucker for a placebo booster to my buzz :blush:



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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: GGTBod]
    #14176442 - 03/24/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, I thought you meant some type of hybrid with Pachanoi and Bridgseii genetics. heheh
But that is certainly a beautiful specimen you've got there. :datass:
I too have heard Bridgesiis are stronger (I've also heard they have more of the various alkaloids that are in Lophophora Williamsii?). I really wonder if there is anything to this.

Do you say mine looks Bridgesoid because of how the bumps along the ribs where the areoles are? Mine is definately thirsty and yellowing a bit.
(By the way, I took your advice and cut an inch off the base)


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: GGTBod]
    #14176622 - 03/24/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

GGTBod, I see no bridgesiod characteristics in that one. Probably mislabeled seed unfortunately. I suppose it could be could be a hybrid--I have scop./pachbridg. which looks very similar to pachanoi except for the rib shape.

3hree1ne3hree, your pictures show PC pachanoi.

Edit: Fixed typo.


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: naum]
    #14176827 - 03/24/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You think mine is not Bridgesii?


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Re: San Pedro Log Method (Horizontal Growing) [Re: 3hree1ne3hree]
    #14176847 - 03/24/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh, I thought you meant some type of hybrid with Pachanoi and Bridgseii genetics. heheh
But that is certainly a beautiful specimen you've got there. :datass:
I too have heard Bridgesiis are stronger (I've also heard they have more of the various alkaloids that are in Lophophora Williamsii?). I really wonder if there is anything to this.

Do you say mine looks Bridgesoid because of how the bumps along the ribs where the areoles are? Mine is definately thirsty and yellowing a bit.
(By the way, I took your advice and cut an inch off the base)





yeah it was the bumps between the aereoles that made me think it looked similar to mine



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