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does anyone know obama's rep as a senator?
#14164938 - 03/22/11 02:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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i didn't want to make a whole new thread about this, but i know how much people hate it when you bump a 3 month old thread to find the topic you were looking for, so just thought i'd make a brand new thread about all of this:
what was obama's standards as a senator? was he a good senator or a really fucked up senator? does he have a rep of being just so fucked up?
i could say the same of bush. when people started wondering why george bush was fucking up so much as a president, they looked at his history, and realized there was nothing he touched that he didn't fuck up. he even ran some of his dads hundred million dollar businesses into the ground, but at least managed to keep haliburton intact 
oh well... discuss if you wish!
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: imachavel]
#14164957 - 03/22/11 02:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm pretty sure people realized all of this stuff about Bush in the primaries, but boy he just looked like the kinda guy you would really like to share a beer with! Obama was the same kind of compromising corporate stooge in the senate that he has been in the presidency.
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: jebustrist]
#14165329 - 03/22/11 03:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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jebustrist said: I'm pretty sure people realized all of this stuff about Bush in the primaries, but boy he just looked like the kinda guy you would really like to share a beer with! Obama was the same kind of compromising corporate stooge in the senate that he has been in the presidency.
Really? My, we are quite full of whoppers today. Obama was the most liberal Senator, when he deigned to actually vote.
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: jebustrist]
#14165515 - 03/22/11 04:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought Halliburton was Cheney's baby not bushes.
Anyway, I've not actually seen his voting record but many of the social critics on the left warned before the election that his voting record was somewhat hawkish and clearly right of centre. I could find some of these publications if your seriously interested in reading some.
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14165915 - 03/22/11 05:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Obama was the most liberal Senator, when he deigned to actually vote.
seems that when he wasnt voting present he was voting to strengthen the patriot act or voting on anything that would benefit minorities
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14171305 - 03/23/11 04:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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ok i should have made this thread about bush AND obama
can you show me their voting records for both of like you were saying?
in what way was obama liberal btw? not trying to say that's too vague or general, for most people it isn't. but for me could you be more specific? thanks
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14171453 - 03/23/11 05:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: ...or voting on anything that would benefit minorities
And that is a bad thing, why?
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: Poid]
#14171559 - 03/23/11 05:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because it comes at the detriment of the majority?
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14171929 - 03/23/11 06:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I guess the idea that minority groups should have fair representation is a bit too radical, isn't it?
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: imachavel]
#14171936 - 03/23/11 06:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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imachavel said: ok i should have made this thread about bush AND obama
can you show me their voting records for both of like you were saying?
bush didnt have a voting record, he wasnt a rep or a senator
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14171967 - 03/23/11 06:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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He was a gov. He passed laws. He has a voting record. How ever, yes they would not be compatible for easy comparison.
Also, pris what do you have against gays and coloured folk?
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: Poid]
#14172061 - 03/23/11 07:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: ...or voting on anything that would benefit minorities
And that is a bad thing, why? 
is he looking out for the majority of his constituents or is he looking out for special interest groups, do minorities need more entitlements than they have already? why does there need to be additional sex ed for black girls instead of all girls or in reality, all student
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: ScavengerType]
#14172067 - 03/23/11 07:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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ScavengerType said: He was a gov. He passed laws. He has a voting record. How ever, yes they would not be compatible for easy comparison.
in that case Barack Obama voted with george bush 93% of the time
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14173109 - 03/23/11 10:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: ...or voting on anything that would benefit minorities
And that is a bad thing, why? 
is he looking out for the majority of his constituents or is he looking out for special interest groups, do minorities need more entitlements than they have already?
I don't know, how many entitlements do you currently have? Wouldn't a large portion of his constituents be minorities?
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Prisoner#1 said: why does there need to be additional sex ed for black girls instead of all girls or in reality, all student
I don't know, WTF does that have to do with minorities being represented fairly by politicians, though?
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: Poid]
#14174783 - 03/24/11 09:24 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poid said: Yeah, I guess the idea that minority groups should have fair representation is a bit too radical, isn't it? 
Individuals should have representation, not grievance groups, Komrade. Keep chopping the country up into small identity groups instead of just America. That's always been a recipe for harmony <sarc>. No racial group should receive any preferences from the People's government for anything ever.
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: Poid]
#14174787 - 03/24/11 09:26 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know, WTF does that have to do with minorities being represented fairly by politicians, though?
How the fuck do race based preferences constitute fairness?
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14174807 - 03/24/11 09:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poid said: Yeah, I guess the idea that minority groups should have fair representation is a bit too radical, isn't it? 
Individuals should have representation...
I agree, but this is obviously not the reality we live in. We are tribal creatures, and we get together in groups--how on Earth would it be even feasibly possible for the government to represent every single individual? It's not in the least bit practical, this is why groups are represented; since this is the case, every group should have fair representation.
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zappaisgod said: Keep chopping the country up into small identity groups instead of just America.
I'm not doing shit, humans are doing it themselves--this is human nature, you should be old enough to recognize it.
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zappaisgod said: That's always been a recipe for harmony <sarc>.
There has never been harmony amongst humans, and there likely never will be--people separate themselves into groups because they don't easily harmonize with others that don't belong in their group. To ignore this exceedingly obvious fact when making any sort of legislative decision would be fucking retarded politically correct pansy-ass bullshit.
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zappaisgod said: No racial group should receive any preferences from the People's government for anything ever.
Preference, who said this? Representation is preference?
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I don't know, WTF does that have to do with minorities being represented fairly by politicians, though?
How the fuck do race based preferences constitute fairness?
Preference, who said this? Representation is preference?
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: Poid]
#14175207 - 03/24/11 11:17 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poid said: Yeah, I guess the idea that minority groups should have fair representation is a bit too radical, isn't it? 
Individuals should have representation...
I agree, but this is obviously not the reality we live in. We are tribal creatures, and we get together in groups--how on Earth would it be even feasibly possible for the government to represent every single individual? It's not in the least bit practical, this is why groups are represented; since this is the case, every group should have fair representation.
Every group has representation through the representation afforded to every single citizen. Being a member of a group does not make you special. Why should people who eschew group identity be disadvantaged in the political process?Quote:
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zappaisgod said: Keep chopping the country up into small identity groups instead of just America.
I'm not doing shit, humans are doing it themselves--this is human nature, you should be old enough to recognize it.
You are participating in the politics of group identity, which is divisive.Quote:
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zappaisgod said: That's always been a recipe for harmony <sarc>.
There has never been harmony amongst humans, and there likely never will be--people separate themselves into groups because they don't easily harmonize with others that don't belong in their group. To ignore this exceedingly obvious fact when making any sort of legislative decision would be fucking retarded politically correct pansy-ass bullshit.
There is either more or less harmony. Group identification contributes to lessening of general harmony. And no it isn't retarded nor politically correct. In fact, the PC crowd are participants themselves in the grievance mongering that comes out of group identity politics.Quote:
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zappaisgod said: No racial group should receive any preferences from the People's government for anything ever.
Preference, who said this? Representation is preference?
I believe that was the exact point of my original post in this matter. Perhaps you should recheck it.Quote:
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I don't know, WTF does that have to do with minorities being represented fairly by politicians, though?
How the fuck do race based preferences constitute fairness?
Preference, who said this? Representation is preference?
Nope. Extra representation because of group membership is. Every of age citizen in this country is granted by the Constitution one vote. That includes minorities. Affording minorities a special status, as you are doing by declaring they need special group consideration, is preferential.
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14175238 - 03/24/11 11:22 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Suffice to say anyone who honestly thinks african-americans are on an equal footing with white americans is living in a dream world.
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Re: does anyone know obama's rep as a senator? [Re: jebustrist]
#14175263 - 03/24/11 11:28 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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jebustrist said: Suffice to say anyone who honestly thinks african-americans are on an equal footing with white americans is living in a dream world.
Just saying it doesn't make it so. In my experience, it is far from true. I work in academia, and there black americans have an institutionally mandated leg up on white americans. Black americans are among the most idolized and emulated people in the world.
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