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OfflineDrugstore Cowboy
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legal question
    #14164521 - 03/22/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sorry if this is the wrong section.

I never grew mushrooms for a healthy fear of a felony charge, but one day down the road I'll probably end up growing my own.

I know it's legal to have the spores, and to cultivate them(?)... but my question is when exactly does it become illegal? What related charges could I be looking at? Manufacturing? Intent to sell? How can I minimize my worst-case risk factor?


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14164537 - 03/22/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well first off dont sell them. second off dont keep a pound of them in 10 diffrent bags


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14164542 - 03/22/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

as soon as you have mycelium it illegal


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14164545 - 03/22/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the minute you intend to use spores that are for microscopic use only to cultivate

it becomes illegal.


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Re: legal question [Re: biologys]
    #14164571 - 03/22/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Right, so no abstract loopholes. Just the DL route. Gotcha


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14164618 - 03/22/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Howdy..  I started a thread a couple mins ago and it involves a legal question. I certainly don't want to hijack this thread but here i go... sorry..

Since spores are legal for microscopic research then there has got be a way around it so that one can manufacture spores for research right? Where do you apply for the waiver in the US? :smile:


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Re: legal question [Re: eGONE]
    #14164635 - 03/22/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You'd probably need some heafty credentials there buddy.


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Re: legal question [Re: eGONE]
    #14164645 - 03/22/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Howdy..  I started a thread a couple mins ago and it involves a legal question. I certainly don't want to hijack this thread but here i go... sorry..

Since spores are legal for microscopic research then there has got be a way around it so that one can manufacture spores for research right? Where do you apply for the waiver in the US? :smile:





Be pacitent wait for a reply to your own post don't hijack others threads. Oh and this is your third post for this question two threads you started and now this one.


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Re: legal question [Re: eGONE]
    #14164650 - 03/22/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you got a ph.d in front of your name? thats the only way im thinkin its happening


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Re: legal question [Re: chainsaw1298]
    #14164653 - 03/22/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

egone im pretty sure what your trying to do is not possible, they arent gonna give you any kind of permit to grow mushrooms to produce spores. sorry


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14164657 - 03/22/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

are there any recognized religions that are afforded a credentialed shelter? it would alter intent as sacred practice of the compounds and permit spore print biz?..


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Re: legal question [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
    #14164662 - 03/22/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if you want to cultivate fo rthe spores, you'll have to do it like the rest of us, illegally haha


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Re: legal question [Re: biologys]
    #14164674 - 03/22/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

LOL Well cant hurt but to ask. Btw, I will remove all of my multiple crap I trashed the board with. Certainly will curb my enthusiam in the future. :sad:


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Re: legal question [Re: eGONE]
    #14164685 - 03/22/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you're fine, just remember that 1 post is all thats needed, someone will come along and answer you as soon as there is someone who knows the answer...


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Re: legal question [Re: eGONE]
    #14164692 - 03/22/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't pretend to be a member of any church to use their drugs, the moral implications of that could and should come back to slap you on your ass in a trip.

And no, there is no mushroom church.


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14164725 - 03/22/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah if there was a mushroom church we would all be set


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Re: legal question [Re: biologys]
    #14165276 - 03/22/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if you want to cultivate fo rthe spores, you'll have to do it like the rest of us, illegally haha



What are you talking about no one here actually germinates the spores and cultivates said mushrooms do they? :lolfat:


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Re: legal question [Re: Psilocyentist]
    #14165294 - 03/22/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if you want to cultivate fo rthe spores, you'll have to do it like the rest of us, illegally haha



What are you talking about no one here actually germinates the spores and cultivates said mushrooms do they? :lolfat:




Not that I'm aware. What a thing of which to accuse the users of this fine board.


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Re: legal question [Re: Psilocyentist]
    #14165307 - 03/22/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if you want to cultivate fo rthe spores, you'll have to do it like the rest of us, illegally haha



What are you talking about no one here actually germinates the spores and cultivates said mushrooms do they? :lolfat:




Hell no, we all just pretend.  All photos are phtoshopped too......


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Re: legal question [Re: Psilocyentist]
    #14165375 - 03/22/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In my mind the entire internet is purely theoretical.


Edited by Drugstore Cowboy (03/23/11 11:23 AM)


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14165403 - 03/22/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Everything i've posted is a hoax :winning:


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Re: legal question [Re: bbt0009]
    #14165446 - 03/22/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The internet is just a visual manifestation of 1/4 of the potential of Charlie Sheens madness


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14167193 - 03/22/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

havent u ever heard of pot farm on facebook its the same thing ^_^


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Re: legal question [Re: darkhawk37]
    #14167279 - 03/22/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah if there was a mushroom church we would all be set




I'm in the process of starting this church, the entire shroomery is welcome! we are the s.s. Shamans! (Super Shroomery Shamans)

There is a dues fee, and our main objective is the extensive and explicit use of psychedelics!


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Re: legal question (moved) [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14167300 - 03/22/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.

Reason:
Off topic in cultivation. Moved to security and safety.


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Re: legal question [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14167305 - 03/22/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If I was to get into the spore selling business the only way I could see to legally run my business would be to obtain spores from the wild or from another trusted source.


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Re: legal question [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
    #14167418 - 03/22/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thats the keyword, a trusted source..


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy] * 1
    #14167421 - 03/22/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

With these types of questions you end up getting highly misleading answers or flat out incorrect advice.

Basically, the question these people are answering is not what you asked, but rather: "When does the cultivated psilocybin-containing mushroom species become a controlled substance".  This is nice to know, but it is certainly not the same answer as the question you asked "when it becomes illegal".

In the US, there is not point in time that it isn't illegal as a matter of law.  Anytime from conception to the moment you last intend to produce mushrooms or last dispose of one may be a moment in which you are guilty of violating US law.  This is important to realize, because if you believed the people who answered your questions, you can buy all your things and wait around without worry that if somebody stumbles upon them you'll be facing indictment- a false confidence.

Probably the best answer that could be given to your question would be: the moment you intend to produce, transfer, posses, or assist others in doing these things with psilocybin et cet or intend to produce substances that are legally defined as psilocybin, such as mushrooms, you are breaking the law. 

The problem with relying upon this is that being falsely convicted when you have stuff like spores laying around is pretty easy.  Hence: even if you don't intend to produce mushrooms, your still better off not having the spores around, especially if you don't have a bonafide, believable, legal use for them.


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Re: legal question [Re: johnm214]
    #14167482 - 03/22/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the spore is kinda like the marijuana tax stamp in some states, gotta have the weed to get the stamps vice versa gotta have the shrooms to get the spores.

Marijuana = illegal
magic mushrooms = illegal


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Re: legal question [Re: 3Cajun1Mo8]
    #14167560 - 03/22/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

cigarettes = legal

alcohol = legal

:lol:

classic American laws.....a complete fuckin joke....You can be 18 and have sex with a 16 year old girl and get 10 years prison.  Its obvious that America's goal isn't to be moral.....


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Re: legal question [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14167583 - 03/22/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

many states have a lower age of sexual consent than that.


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Re: legal question [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #14167615 - 03/22/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

true, but its the whole point....If you are at a legal sex age, by one year, and you have sex with a girl one year younger....you are fucked.  You figure there would be some type of law that makes that OK.  Its so out of hand, MANY LAWS.


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Re: legal question [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14167803 - 03/23/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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true, but its the whole point....If you are at a legal sex age, by one year, and you have sex with a girl one year younger....you are fucked.  You figure there would be some type of law that makes that OK.  Its so out of hand, MANY LAWS.




Tennessee statutory rape laws aren't like that.
Statutory rape is now defined as unlawful sexual penetration between the defendant and victim when the victim is between thirteen and fifteen years old and the defendant is four years older or when the victim is between fifteen and eighteen years old and the defendant is five years older.


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Re: legal question [Re: lil_demented]
    #14167812 - 03/23/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Didn't know that.  Im so used to these BS laws of new york state.  1000's in jail for bullshit....I wonder how many states are like tennesee


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Re: legal question [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14167819 - 03/23/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

and BTW I think 13 is legal in mexico :wink:

lol jk, but it is 13


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Re: legal question [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14169439 - 03/23/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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cigarettes = legal

alcohol = legal

:lol:

classic American laws.....a complete fuckin joke....You can be 18 and have sex with a 16 year old girl and get 10 years prison.  Its obvious that America's goal isn't to be moral.....





That's your big issue with America, that you can't fuck teenagers? That's a laugh and a half man.


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    #14171227 - 03/23/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have plenty of issues with the USA (America is a continent buddy), his issue isn't just statutory rape laws, it's the fact that we legalize cigs with contain hundreds of known chemicals that are extremely toxic!

Then turn around and outlaw pot because who the fuck knows why... Alcohol is legal in the US and even though drunk driving and other related crimes end in thousands of deaths and injuries along with broken families... The US is very misled and completely backwards compared to the rest of the modern world.

We think we have freedom, but we're all just mice in a maze....

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cigarettes = legal

alcohol = legal

:lol:

classic American laws.....a complete fuckin joke....You can be 18 and have sex with a 16 year old girl and get 10 years prison.  Its obvious that America's goal isn't to be moral.....





That's your big issue with America, that you can't fuck teenagers? That's a laugh and a half man.




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~~~~~SHP's highly disputed method of doing ALL their work outside of a flow hood or a Still air box!~~~~~
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Re: legal question [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14171571 - 03/23/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I have plenty of issues with the USA (America is a continent buddy), his issue isn't just statutory rape laws, it's the fact that we legalize cigs with contain hundreds of known chemicals that are extremely toxic!

Then turn around and outlaw pot because who the fuck knows why... Alcohol is legal in the US and even though drunk driving and other related crimes end in thousands of deaths and injuries along with broken families... The US is very misled and completely backwards compared to the rest of the modern world.

We think we have freedom, but we're all just mice in a maze....

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cigarettes = legal

alcohol = legal

:lol:

classic American laws.....a complete fuckin joke....You can be 18 and have sex with a 16 year old girl and get 10 years prison.  Its obvious that America's goal isn't to be moral.....





That's your big issue with America, that you can't fuck teenagers? That's a laugh and a half man.







1. Don't tell me what to call my country. You ever see Peruvians calling themselves american? Or Canadians? Don't play the semantic game with me.

2. As for the rest of your post, 90% of the civilized world(total guesstimate) has the same exact drug laws that you used to chastise America. Cigarettes are legal just about everywhere and so is booze. Pot is illegal just about everywhere.

So please, quit this anti-America bandwagon shit.. or at least back it up with legitimate issues.

And what else of the world have you seen that you are comparing America to? Cause it sort of seems like you don't know your ass from your elbow when it comes to internationial affairs.


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14171590 - 03/23/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I should add that I hate my government and admit we have done terrible things in the world. There is a lot to be ashamed of (like any nationality if you look back far enough) and much work to be done... but there is also a lot to be proud of.

We pretty much invented the modern world.


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14173142 - 03/23/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i GrOw StUFF said:
cigarettes = legal

alcohol = legal

:lol:

classic American laws.....a complete fuckin joke....You can be 18 and have sex with a 16 year old girl and get 10 years prison.  Its obvious that America's goal isn't to be moral.....





That's your big issue with America, that you can't fuck teenagers? That's a laugh and a half man.




sorry that you aren't understanding or you are that ignorant....Im just pointing out just 3 issues of laws that are hilarious in America...No, I don't fuck teenagers....but I know I NUMEROUS 18 year olds that are doing time in prison for fucking a 16 year old.....sad but true....try to understand what is going on next time you post


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Re: legal question [Re: slapphappypill]
    #14173152 - 03/23/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I have plenty of issues with the USA (America is a continent buddy), his issue isn't just statutory rape laws, it's the fact that we legalize cigs with contain hundreds of known chemicals that are extremely toxic!

Then turn around and outlaw pot because who the fuck knows why... Alcohol is legal in the US and even though drunk driving and other related crimes end in thousands of deaths and injuries along with broken families... The US is very misled and completely backwards compared to the rest of the modern world.

We think we have freedom, but we're all just mice in a maze....

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i GrOw StUFF said:
cigarettes = legal

alcohol = legal

:lol:

classic American laws.....a complete fuckin joke....You can be 18 and have sex with a 16 year old girl and get 10 years prison.  Its obvious that America's goal isn't to be moral.....





That's your big issue with America, that you can't fuck teenagers? That's a laugh and a half man.








Thank you bro.....Hit the nail on the head...


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Re: legal question [Re: Drugstore Cowboy]
    #14173169 - 03/23/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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slapphappypill said:
I have plenty of issues with the USA (America is a continent buddy), his issue isn't just statutory rape laws, it's the fact that we legalize cigs with contain hundreds of known chemicals that are extremely toxic!

Then turn around and outlaw pot because who the fuck knows why... Alcohol is legal in the US and even though drunk driving and other related crimes end in thousands of deaths and injuries along with broken families... The US is very misled and completely backwards compared to the rest of the modern world.

We think we have freedom, but we're all just mice in a maze....

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Drugstore Cowboy said:
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i GrOw StUFF said:
cigarettes = legal

alcohol = legal

:lol:

classic American laws.....a complete fuckin joke....You can be 18 and have sex with a 16 year old girl and get 10 years prison.  Its obvious that America's goal isn't to be moral.....





That's your big issue with America, that you can't fuck teenagers? That's a laugh and a half man.







1. Don't tell me what to call my country. You ever see Peruvians calling themselves american? Or Canadians? Don't play the semantic game with me.

2. As for the rest of your post, 90% of the civilized world(total guesstimate) has the same exact drug laws that you used to chastise America. Cigarettes are legal just about everywhere and so is booze. Pot is illegal just about everywhere.

So please, quit this anti-America bandwagon shit.. or at least back it up with legitimate issues.

And what else of the world have you seen that you are comparing America to? Cause it sort of seems like you don't know your ass from your elbow when it comes to internationial affairs.




You have a point.....Let me re-state....ALL OF THE WORLD has fucked up laws...not just America.  Are you defending these laws or what?  Are you rejecting our statements?


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Re: legal question [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14180753 - 03/25/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shouldn't be posting when in a bad mood


Edited by Drugstore Cowboy (03/25/11 07:42 AM)


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