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Moving Zeitgeist Foreward
    #14164272 - 03/22/11 12:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

This is a 2 and a half plus hour film discussing economics and false value systems. I watched it last night and wanted to share. Post your thoughts if any of you get through it.

Zeitgeist full youtube


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Seanfu]
    #14164281 - 03/22/11 12:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I believe this system will absolutely have to change, if that needs to be said at all. I think renewable energy would be practical to implement.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Seanfu] * 2
    #14164324 - 03/22/11 12:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Zeitgeist is by assholes for assholes


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14164380 - 03/22/11 12:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

How would you know exactly?  You claim to never watch videos.  Can you speak to the claims made in the video?


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Icelander]
    #14164387 - 03/22/11 12:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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How would you know exactly?  You claim to never watch videos.  Can you speak to the claims made in the video?




I've watched it and he's right.

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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Icelander]
    #14164398 - 03/22/11 12:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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How would you know exactly?  You claim to never watch videos.  Can you speak to the claims made in the video?



I saw enough of it, troll.  This thread needs the lock.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14164408 - 03/22/11 12:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If anyone questions your integrity you call troll. :lol:  You claimed never to watch vids and now you say you do. Which is it?


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14164416 - 03/22/11 12:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
How would you know exactly?  You claim to never watch videos.  Can you speak to the claims made in the video?




I've watched it and he's right.





I'd likely agree.  Just not with someone who never watched it.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Icelander]
    #14164437 - 03/22/11 12:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If anyone questions your integrity you call troll. :lol:  You claimed never to watch vids and now you say you do. Which is it?



Bullshit.  I almost never call anyone a troll but you seem to be trolling lately.  I said I saw enough of it.  I also read some articles about it.  Did anyone even question my integrity, troll?


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14164468 - 03/22/11 12:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Zeitgeist is by assholes for assholes




Why is doubting an expansion debt based system that seems to have collapsed made by assholes for assholes?

Renewable energy bad?


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14164473 - 03/22/11 12:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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How would you know exactly?  You claim to never watch videos.  Can you speak to the claims made in the video?




I've watched it and he's right.




Same question to you.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Seanfu]
    #14164500 - 03/22/11 12:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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This is a 2 and a half plus hour film discussing economics and false value systems. I watched it last night and wanted to share.




I suggest you "share" by listing the major points made by the authors with which you agree, and perhaps give a reason or two for each one explaining why you agree.

No one is going to watch a two and a half hour video - especially one from as sketchy a bunch as the loons who produced the original "Zeitgeist" - without some kind of summary or movie review.

Life's way too short for that.






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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Seanfu]
    #14164518 - 03/22/11 01:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Seanfu said:
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zappaisgod said:
Zeitgeist is by assholes for assholes




Why is doubting an expansion debt based system that seems to have collapsed made by assholes for assholes?




It hasn't collapsed.
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Renewable energy bad?




Renewable energy, as most conceive it, is a pipe dream for idiots.  The only hope is fusion.  All else is mental masturbation.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14166125 - 03/22/11 05:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

There's some bits of truth in it, but i think it might be a two faced kind of thing.

The venus (Lucifer) project is pretty much an NWO's dream come true.  It's so freeking flawed and socialist; it's almost like they reel you in with bits of truth then get you to sign up for some kind of wacky luciferian communist utopia.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Shins]
    #14166149 - 03/22/11 05:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Here's an interesting Debate between a free market anarco-capitalist VS. the Venus project - 2 hours long.



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Podcast: http://www.fdrurl.com/FDR1847 - Stefan Molyneux, host of Freedomain Radio, engages the Venus Project in a passionate debate about the future of the world - http://www.freedomainradio.com




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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Shins]
    #14166213 - 03/22/11 06:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Nobody is going to watch that.

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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14166223 - 03/22/11 06:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If anyone questions your integrity you call troll. :lol:  You claimed never to watch vids and now you say you do. Which is it?



Bullshit.  I almost never call anyone a troll but you seem to be trolling lately.  I said I saw enough of it.  I also read some articles about it.  Did anyone even question my integrity, troll?





I question your integrity due to you stating in another thread that you never watch videos and doing so is for morons. (this justified your refusal to view a video as evidence) You either mean what you say or you don't. If you don't there's a lack of integrity.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14166255 - 03/22/11 06:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Nobody is going to watch that.




Well it's there in case you're wrong.

It's basically free market price mechanism VS. Venus project communist super computer.

Conclusion; no Venus super computer or central authority is as efficient as the price mechanism for connecting supply/demand.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Icelander]
    #14166381 - 03/22/11 06:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
If anyone questions your integrity you call troll. :lol:  You claimed never to watch vids and now you say you do. Which is it?



Bullshit.  I almost never call anyone a troll but you seem to be trolling lately.  I said I saw enough of it.  I also read some articles about it.  Did anyone even question my integrity, troll?





I question your integrity due to you stating in another thread that you never watch videos and doing so is for morons. (this justified your refusal to view a video as evidence) You either mean what you say or you don't. If you don't there's a lack of integrity.



Firstly, this piece of shit has been all over the place.  Secondly I already stated in this thread that I have seen some of that craptastic idiocy.  Thirdly watching videos and thinking they are dispositive or even informative is for morons.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14166476 - 03/22/11 06:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So you are saying that any evidence contained in a video is not reliable and only morons would watch a video and that's why you refuse to view them. (remember you just stated you watched some of that video) This would be equivalent to you stating that you are a moron along with those you are calling morons. I'm not calling you a moron. Name calling is your forte.  You are saying it, I'm just pointing out what you said.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14166480 - 03/22/11 06:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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watching videos and thinking they are dispositive or even informative is for morons.




Eeeeh i'd have to say it's morons who think as above.

Videos are not but another form of media, The content of said media should be scrutinized as all forms of media should.

If videos are not dispositive, why are they admittable in court?

If someone kills someone and unedited CCTV footage clearly shows who killed them, according to Zappa, it's moronic to consider that evidence.

But of course, Zappa is smarter and mightier than law, courts, and rational scrutiny, we should all know that by now.

He makes his own reality and lives in his own imaginary godly palace of inscrutably and irrational media bias because he is God, and you are all morons.


I can't believe a 50+ year old man would say something so exuberantly juvenile and ignorant, you should be ashamed.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Icelander]
    #14166542 - 03/22/11 07:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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So you are saying that any evidence contained in a video is not reliable and only morons would watch a video and that's why you refuse to view them. (remember you just stated you watched some of that video) This would be equivalent to you stating that you are a moron along with those you are calling morons. I'm not calling you a moron. Name calling is your forte.  You are saying it, I'm just pointing out what you said.



Troll.  I said, "Thirdly watching videos and thinking they are dispositive or even informative is for morons."  I watched some of it to see what these idiots were endlessly going on about.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14166656 - 03/22/11 07:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yet you refused to view a video presented as evidence in another thread.  You could have easily watched that very short video and then disputed it.

Hypocrite. :ass:


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Shins]
    #14166660 - 03/22/11 07:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> If someone kills someone and unedited CCTV footage clearly shows who killed them, according to Zappa, it's moronic to consider that evidence.

You guys are really out of touch with what he said.  Context is very important... he is talking about these cheesy youtube videos and crapumentaries such as the drivel Michael Moore pukes up, not about some convoluted example you dream up regarding courtrooms and security video.  Do you really expect to be taken seriously on other topics after you blatantly misrepresent something as trivial as this?


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Seuss]
    #14166691 - 03/22/11 07:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't have a problem with that.  He said he refuses to ever watch any video so get that straight. Written shit can be just as bogus.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Seuss]
    #14166744 - 03/22/11 07:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> If someone kills someone and unedited CCTV footage clearly shows who killed them, according to Zappa, it's moronic to consider that evidence.

You guys are really out of touch with what he said.  Context is very important... he is talking about these cheesy youtube videos and crapumentaries such as the drivel Michael Moore pukes up, not about some convoluted example you dream up regarding courtrooms and security video.  Do you really expect to be taken seriously on other topics after you blatantly misrepresent something as trivial as this?





He said "watching videos and thinking they are dispositive or even informative is for morons. "  That statement denotes ALL videos.

How do you judge what videos are "cheesy youtube videos and crapumentaries such as the drivel Michael Moore pukes up" Even Michael Moore makes some valid points.  How do you judge that especially without even watching it?

"Do you really expect to be taken seriously on other topics after you blatantly misrepresent something as trivial as this?"

That's so fucking weak man, get over yourself.  Maybe Zappa should enunciate himself more clearly IF in fact you are right.  Even if you are right; see my above question.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Shins]
    #14167575 - 03/22/11 11:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well Zappa is the clear asshole in this thread. Fact is all those cheesy youtube videos like michael moore and so on are annoying because they always sound like the wolrd has changed when you watched them, it is a psychological bullshit that they play in in order to sell you money. this is what zappa doesn't like. however this is how you bring ideas forward, people like zappa got us into wars and held us back for centuries, but then again he might be the only reason im here.

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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Icelander]
    #14168398 - 03/23/11 04:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> I don't have a problem with that.  He said he refuses to ever watch any video so get that straight

In the context of a post with a youtube video.  Context is important.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Seuss]
    #14168536 - 03/23/11 06:13 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So? The video he refused to view was spoken quotes with sources and that is all.  And he knew it because we told him several times. Get it straight.


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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Moving Zeitgeist Foreward [Re: Seanfu]
    #14168798 - 03/23/11 07:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

This thread has been closed.

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Since no one has bothered to describe even one single argument presented in the video, there is clearly not much to discuss. The name of this forum is....






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