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iFung
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1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E
#14161654 - 03/21/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alleged mass overdose of 2C-E leaves 1 dead and 10 hospitalized. Careful with your chems, kids!
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/03/17/11-sent-to-hospital-after-massive-overdose/
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: iFung]
#14161656 - 03/21/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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bunk
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: ahchela]
#14161663 - 03/21/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am sick of people seeing a single death on a substance and immediately ruling the substance "dangerous." Scare tactics, anyone?
Also, dying on 2C-E must be an insane way to go.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: Caine]
#14161671 - 03/21/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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After watching that video, it makes me sick that she called the 11 kids "victims." As if the big scary 2C-E molecule came and did your sons and daughters much harm, America. No, it was the fucking dumbass kid's fault for taking a massive overdose of a research chemical and then dying. Cautious, responsible users of these drugs are the victims here
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: Caine]
#14161798 - 03/21/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, but 2C-e isnt the safest compound. Kids shouldnt be able to get ahold of this. You wouldnt let some kid buy any other dangerous chemical. These things need to be regulated properly.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: mattritt]
#14161808 - 03/21/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i heard from the other thread already made about this that the drug they took (and died from) probably wasnt even 2c-e, and was actually mdpv.
and the news story supports that claim (though anecdotally, not in a concrete manner) when they quote one of the kids as saying "that the 2c-e didnt have the effects it normally did"
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: Caine]
#14161818 - 03/21/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah because regulation works

*edit: "but think about the poor children" Maybe you should raise your own little pooper, its not my job and you had better stay away from my poopers with your indoctrinating nonsense.
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HAHAHAHAHA, SamuelLJackson your profile and sig cracks me up every time!! But yea that really does seem very likely. 2C-e isnt exactly something you stumble upon. "Bath salts" are everywhere and MDPV is fucked up.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: mattritt]
#14161865 - 03/21/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eye balling doses of 2C-E is extremely dangerous. DO NOT DO IT.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: Caine]
#14161925 - 03/21/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Caine said: Also, dying on 2C-E must be an insane way to go.
Eghh...I can't even imagine what sort of fucked up shit that poor dude went through leading up to his death. Hopefully he was too far gone to comprehend what was even happening to him, because I've heard some pretty horrid reports of RC's gone wrong at high doses.
EDIT: Scratch that, if he at least had a little touch with himself he could realize he was dying and hopefully be at peace with it. If he was totally gone he might not even realize he was dying and his last moments could have been filled with pure primal confusion/horror at whatever he was seeing...or pure bliss I suppose, but from what I've heard of RC overdoses, unlikely.
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PsilocybinMike said: Eye balling doses of 2C-E is extremely dangerous. DO NOT DO IT.
More fear mongering brought to you by "guy who didn't read rest of thread before posting" - it wasn't 2ce and there is no evidence that 2ce is dangerous past having a "bad" trip.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: ahchela]
#14162738 - 03/22/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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@ahchela - if this is bunk, can you cite your source? They said they were going to do further testing so I was curious what they came up with.
I recently had a friend die and and his friend hospitalized due to experimentation with some type of psychedelic (information hasn't been released as to what). Im not saying one way or the other whether these chems are bad but I do feel like most of this stuff is a little too available for the effects to be unknown. A chemical that can range from mild to crazy within a few mg is dangerous weather it can kill or not - people can easily dose too high, especially if someone goes and sells the stuff and people don't know what they're taking. Given the fact that these are RCs and we don't truly know if/how lethal these things are, we can't sit comfy on 50+ years of acid and mushroom testing and assume all psychedelics are safe.
That said, I guess this is a good way to get free research... release a ton of chems online and watch the psyche forums blow up with the effects
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: iFung]
#14162794 - 03/22/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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chems like these are actually old news.
pihkal was published in 1991, 20 years ago. and who knows (no really, does anyone know?) just how long before pihkal was published that shulgin first synthesized and began experimenting with 2c-e.
hes done all kinds of substituted phenethylamines, and hes still kickin, though it seems as though his age is catching up with him.
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My source is both the obvious bias/poor quality of the article in a pro-prohibition manner, and more importantly the lack of any evidence that 2ce would kill. There hasn't been a death yet.
The man wasn't selling 2ce, it turned out to be some chemical from bath salts. They only attached 2ce to the report - before toxicology - so they could demonize it. Apparenlty this works pretty damn good as people are ignoring the toxicology report and claiming 2ce to be poisonous.
I'm not trying to be negative, really I'm a humorous guy but words on paper come off pretty dry
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: ahchela]
#14163608 - 03/22/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im not trying to be negative either but words on a forum come off even more dry. Just because you feel the article is bias and you dont think 2c-e can kill doesn't mean anything. Until you can cite some information pointing to the fact that this was not a 2c-e incident, I can't believe you.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: iFung]
#14163794 - 03/22/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, theres no proof that its MDPV or anything. Don't state that as fact. I could EASILY see 2C-e killing someone in a high enough dose. Ive seen some extremely adverse reactions to 2C-b at 25 mgs (same person had taken 50 mgs on multiple occasions) with very serious physical effects. 2C-e seems even more unpredictable and unsafe than 2C-b. These are chemicals with little to no true information on aside from PiHKAL and some online experience reports. No toxicology research, no LD50 research. I wouldn't be surprised if above 50 mgs got really dangerous. 2C-e is extremely powerful and phenethylamines arent known for their safety by any means.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: mattritt]
#14163839 - 03/22/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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All this unfounded MPDV talk does is spread disinformation and make people less safe - isn't that usually what the other side is accused of doing?
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: jebustrist]
#14163878 - 03/22/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you read the thread in the pub or on the news thing you will notice one of the news articles mentions that one of the kids is quoting that they kept on dosing line after line because it wasn't working.
Seriously. That is just ASKING for trouble. Fuck when something is active in the mg range and the person like an idiot doses without researching it, doses it like coke, yes there is going to be problems. Its like me eating a bottle of aspirin and then blaming aspirin when my liver fails.
Why is this thread even here? Especially in a forum that is available to non members. We don't need any more publicity on this stupid thing.
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Yea, the fact that they were snorting it and I read another article that they aquired the chemical from the guy and he had 8 grams of 2C-e. Soooo, its definitely 2C-e and snorting too much 2C-e is not farr fetched to be killing someone at all.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: mattritt]
#14164210 - 03/22/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Man over a quarter ounce of fucking 2c-e, I can imagine the gaggers they had already choked down. It's just fucking sad.
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SamuelLJackson said: i heard from the other thread already made about this that the drug they took (and died from) probably wasnt even 2c-e, and was actually mdpv.
and the news story supports that claim (though anecdotally, not in a concrete manner) when they quote one of the kids as saying "that the 2c-e didnt have the effects it normally did"
If they're regulated, kids will stop dying and the fear mongers will loose their power. never going to happen.
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People just need to be more responsible with RC's in particular. It just takes a few incidents to have a psychedelic become demonized and banned like with LSD and eventually all psychedelics in the 60's/early 70's.
Currently though it seems like so many new RC's are coming out that it is going to be impossible for them to get a hold on this situation. I remember reading somewhere some company out of China said that if they continue to ban substances they have hundreds if not thousands more ready to be released.
People just need to be safe and respectful of those powerful and often profound substances.
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how fucking stupid can you be to start cutting up lines of 2c-e and snorting it? LIKE WHAT THE FUCK, its not god damn cocaine...
"According to police, 21-year-old Lamere arrived at a spring break party in Blaine and began offering "2C-I" to the guests, saying it was a hallucinogen. He poured out the grayish powder on a living room table, cut a few lines, and snorted one. Robinson-Davis did a line after Lamere. At least 10 other guests took the drug as well."
do you guys believe it will be illegal now :O?
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: harrisonbrtn]
#14164675 - 03/22/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Probably, makes me sad. 2c-e is fucking great for surface tripping. phenethylamines never go too deep with me but they make the most lovely candy.
I'll never forget watching 1408 and Cloverfield and The Prestige on 37mgs of 2c-e
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Drugstore Cowboy said: Probably, makes me sad. 2c-e is fucking great for surface tripping. phenethylamines never go too deep with me but they make the most lovely candy.
I'll never forget watching 1408 and Cloverfield and The Prestige on 37mgs of 2c-e
wtf? if i was on that much 2c-e i could barly watch tv lol
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: harrisonbrtn]
#14164715 - 03/22/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've since grown out of my Hunter thompson phase.
I've done fear and loathing in Atlantic City though 
Second edit: Actually, my first ever trip with RCs was 25mgs of 2ce comboed with 30-35mgs of 2c-i. It spun into an 18 hour trip that didn't stop peaking until very near the end. My buddy took me to the park, worst car ride ever.
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they weren't even kids, they were legal adults who should have known the risks they were taking. it's 100% their fault
i hate the scientists who get paid by the government to tell the government what it wants to hear. scientists in america need to grow some fucking balls and tell the truth..
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: reid52]
#14166151 - 03/22/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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reid52 said: i hate the scientists who get paid by the government to tell the government what it wants to hear. scientists in america need to grow some fucking balls and tell the truth..
a real scientist doesn't lie
it has to do with the fact that when you hear an "expert" on the news (who has a legit doctorate) the news picks someone who works in the general field of biochemistry or medicine or something like that, rather than someone who spends their life doing research on psychedelics specifically.
the news wouldnt dare put someone like alexander shulgin or albert hofmann on the air. the news wouldnt publicly embarass the government. the news is ABOUT the government half the time. the news purposely puts people on the air who dont specialize in psychedelics to talk about psychedelics. and then those 'experts' (with their vast knowledge that touches upon psychedelics, yet their vast lack of knowledge SPECIFIC to psychedelics) begin to say shit which to the average person sounds logical and scary.
meanwhile i sit back and laugh at how dumb they make themselves look. and then i know that when theyre done with their paid interview for being the doctor that held up the governments opinion on psychedelics, they go back to their lab and work on stuff like ways to build immunity in plants to diseases, or research on malaria, or research on whatever the fuck they ACTUALLY study and have concrete knowledge on.
so really, that 'expert' isnt lying, they just arent informed about the material they are given to talk about, and make broad generalizations that more often than not are wrong. and then john doe sittin on his sofa says "wow, that scientist said that drug can kill me, i support making it illegal, i think of the children and i want the world to be a better place for the greater good!"
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: harrisonbrtn]
#14166343 - 03/22/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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harrisonbrtn said: how fucking stupid can you be to start cutting up lines of 2c-e and snorting it? LIKE WHAT THE FUCK, its not god damn cocaine...
"According to police, 21-year-old Lamere arrived at a spring break party in Blaine and began offering "2C-I" to the guests, saying it was a hallucinogen. He poured out the grayish powder on a living room table, cut a few lines, and snorted one. Robinson-Davis did a line after Lamere. At least 10 other guests took the drug as well."
do you guys believe it will be illegal now :O?
Well its not so much if it will become illegal but when, no way of knowing. Personally I think it has another year or two, or more on it.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: ahchela]
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I liked how she told you how to find it and the other version of it 2-ci for anyone who was having trouble right then when searching for 2-cb (this is all the kids out there in tv who are not savvy and are hearing for the first time on this broadcast)
"just google it, its right there on the internet" fuckin television
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mattritt said: Yea, but 2C-e isnt the safest compound. Kids shouldnt be able to get ahold of this. You wouldnt let some kid buy any other dangerous chemical. These things need to be regulated properly.
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Re: 1 Dead 10 Hospitalized - 2C-E [Re: starfire_xes]
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one time I ate a massive pile of 2C-E off a dictionary cover throughout the course of a night... ended up in the hospital twelve hours later, but that was because I dislocated my shoulder in my sleep
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mattritt said: Yea, but 2C-e isnt the safest compound. Kids shouldnt be able to get ahold of this. You wouldnt let some kid buy any other dangerous chemical. These things need to be regulated properly.
Yes! Yes! Ban Them.... 'It's for the Children...'
Are you trying to be sarcastic? So you think kids should have access to 2C-e? Do you think kids should have access to muriatic acid? Or a bottle of acetone? No, well 2C-e is as dangerous as those chemicals in the wrong hands. Dont be naive. Im still under the opinion that you should have to be licensed and trained to use these compounds before being able to get ahold of them. I feel this should be an option available to anyone who pursues it, but shouldnt be as easy as walking to a party on a college campus and saying anyone got some acid? "No, but we've got 2C-e, mephedrone, and some powder molly" If these things were available to licensed people and they could walk in and have some lab grade LSD, MDMA, and DMT. Then they'd also be trained to use it responsibly and it'd be clean and pure. That would be leaps and bounds safer than a bunch of nasty research chemicals that china is trying to poison us with to get us ready for take over.
American and Swedish made chemicals only guys!!
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Think you're in the wrong neighborhood with pro-prohibition propoganda

try
http://www.foxnews.con
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Ummm, suck off. Tim Leary had the same idea. Im not for prohibition, I'm for regulation. Theres a difference, read my post and you'll understand that.
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Do I need to quote you? lol
I'm for freedom, and I'm not a fan of TL so thats voided. If I want to walk in the store, buy a gun and some cocaine, who are you to stop me?
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ahchela said: Do I need to quote you? lol
I'm for freedom, and I'm not a fan of TL so thats voided. If I want to walk in the store, buy a gun and some cocaine, who are you to stop me?

Yeah, that attitude will really help. And calling everyone a pig who doesn't agree with your idea of freedom is pretty damn fox news in it's own right.
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Yeah I guess so, still doesn't change the fact of the matter.
Regulating drugs to the point where they are in the hands of doctors alone = prohibition. If you cannot buy it like cigarette, then its prohibition.
We're not debating in congress here, we're just stating our opinions. As it stands, I do not support the war on drugs. Its fascism out right, hence relating the pro-prohibition party with an authoritarian symbol.
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All the war on drugs is is Uncle Sam getting in on the hustle. And he's the biggest boss in town. The DEA is a international task force ever since they were deployed to Nicaragua and Colombia and God knows where else.
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ahchela said: Do I need to quote you? lol
I'm for freedom, and I'm not a fan of TL so thats voided. If I want to walk in the store, buy a gun and some cocaine, who are you to stop me?

Thanks for being part of the problem. You exemplify exactly what Fox News is talking about when they say we have a drug problem. If you sat at home and smoked a joint and ate fucking muffin they wouldn't and DON'T give a fuck. But if youre out doing stupid shit with GUNS AND COCAINE, then they are gunna give a fuck!! Its not the responsible users that got this made illegal, its people like YOU and the people that died, and more important the guy that gave it to them. THIS is why drugs are illegal.
I dont think just anyone should be able to just grab a drug and do it without some regulation by the government. Drugs are dangerous, lets not be coy and faggot about it. They kill people, thats dangerous! BUT they can be used responsibly by people educated in their use. So I feel they should be available. But I feel that they should be licensed to use and that access to this licensing should be available to people. Maybe have a license to use it yourself in a controlled setting with a guide, and then a license to use it without a guide. Like a learners permit. This was another thing Leary talked about.
And I know why you hate Leary because he was such a loud mouth, I wholeheartedly agree. But his books are VERY good. Young Leary was a smart man, old Leary was a shell. He'd been cast aside by all his peers, but he was reckless. Maybe not with a gun and cocaine, but with his words and LSD. And this is why these things are illegal. Are you understanding?
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"You need more THC to your brain, faster." - Drr
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ahchela
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Registered: 03/01/11
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Really... mmm hmm.. yeah
Oh wait, what about alcohol?
"bbbb-but its only legal because prohibition didn't work!"
Yeah I guess you're right buddy... oh wait... prohibition never works.
Its not about safety, its about money. Don't sell yourself short.
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mattritt
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Registered: 02/02/08
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Alcohol is now regulated, you arent allowed to drink and drive, just like you shouldnt be allowed to eat 2C-e and drive. But you should be allowed to do those things under the right circumstances. Alcohol you have to be 21 to purchase. There should be an age limit on psychedelic use aswell before you can start applying for a license, just like with a drivers license. Do you think 8-12 year olds should be getting drivers licenses? Alcohol isn't sold after 1-3 AM in alot of places (this law SUCKS) to reduce intoxication levels that late. These are all ways of harm reduction which is one of the things this site promotes along with mycology and informational dialouge.
-------------------- **Metaphysical Crystal, Stones, Gems, and Minerals** Every individual reacts differently to every chemical. Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.
"You need more THC to your brain, faster." - Drr
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