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how could lsd have no effect on someone?
    #14160395 - 03/21/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, so an experienced monkey recently obtained a vial of high quality lsd, and it was tested and used and enjoyed thoroughly by all of the monkey's friends. The monkey wanted to share the lsd experience with his sister, who had not yet experienced lsd before, so he had her take two drops of the slightly grape tasting magic liquid, and though every one of the monkey's friends were spun every time they had enjoyed this batch, his sister did not trip, or notice anything different really at all. In my attempt to find an answer to this, all I can find is people saying the stuff must have been bunk, or not lsd, but in this case, I am 100 percent sure that it is. Even ONE drop of this stuff, says the monkey, is enough to have a quite enjoyable experience. The only possible answer I can come to is that the monkey's sister has a naturally high tolerance for lsd. She is not on any SSRIs or seratonin effecting medications either. Does anyone have any ideas or input on this?


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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: elfspice_isnice]
    #14160537 - 03/21/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

maybe she is at complete peace with herself already?


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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: Picoloco]
    #14160546 - 03/21/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

maybe, but then that would prevent one who is at peace with themselves to experience an lsd trip? I am at peace with myself, and I feel it easier to achieve higher states of consciousness...


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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: elfspice_isnice]
    #14160650 - 03/21/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That's very odd considering others tried it.  Try getting shrooms, 2c-e or a different psychedelic and see if the effects are the same

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: Cakk]
    #14160690 - 03/21/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

My wager is that she doesn't have anything on her mind, her brain put her on a subtle "headfuck" sort of trip but had nothing to fuck her head with, so the drug just sort of chilled and she didn't really notice any effects.  It's funny how LSD has the ability to make you think you aren't tripping when you are.  One time I was surprised by a total lack of visuals on a 5-hitter, when I realized that when I actually stopped and looked at something I couldn't make it stay still.  I would focus my eyes on an object (I remember a book on my book shelf in particular) the harder I tried to see what was actually there the more the object melted and stretched and morphed away from what it really looked like.

:feelsweirdman:

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14160707 - 03/21/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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elfspice_isnice said:
She is not on any SSRIs or seratonin effecting medications either.




Are you sure?  There are a lot of medications other than SSRIs that can prevent a trip.  Sleeping medications?  Muscle relaxers?

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My wager is that she doesn't have anything in her mind, her brain put her on a subtle "headfuck" sort of trip but had nothing to fuck her head with so just sort of chilled and she didn't really notice any effects.  It's funny how LSD has the ability to make you think you aren't tripping when you are.  One time I was surprised by a total lack of visuals on a 5-hitter, when I realized that when I actually stopped and looked at something I couldn't make it stay still.  I would focus my eyes on and object (I remember a book on my book shelf in particular) the harder I tried to see what was actually there the more the object melted and stretched and morphed away from what it really looked like.

:feelsweirdman:




When the whole world is melting into the floor, there's really no denying you're under the influence...

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: BothHands]
    #14160750 - 03/21/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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When the whole world is melting into the floor, there's really no denying you're under the influence...




Lol, well clearly, but my point was to illustrate the drug's ability to simulate sobriety.  I was obviously tripping pretty hard if actually focusing on the object made it distort and melt, yet up until that point (about 4-5 hours in) had experienced no visuals whatsoever and instead felt a sort of "nonexistent headfuck" like what I said I thought happened with her.  I didn't think I had started coming up, then I looked at the clock and realized I was peaked...and a few minutes later when I thought about the lack of effects my brain gave up on whatever subtlety I wasn't picking up on and dropped me into blissful melty euphoria for a few hours before starting to come down.  I think the "nonexistent headfuck" happened because I had just been tripping a lot and had nothing on my mind, so my brain's intended path didn't have a whole lot of options because I was pretty content.  Just my theory.

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14160763 - 03/21/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you need to focus on something to have it melt, you're not taking enough.  At least that's my experience.

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: BothHands]
    #14160778 - 03/21/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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My wager is that she doesn't have anything on her mind, her brain put her on a subtle "headfuck" sort of trip but had nothing to fuck her head with, so the drug just sort of chilled and she didn't really notice any effects.  It's funny how LSD has the ability to make you think you aren't tripping when you are.  One time I was surprised by a total lack of visuals on a 5-hitter, when I realized that when I actually stopped and looked at something I couldn't make it stay still.  I would focus my eyes on an object (I remember a book on my book shelf in particular) the harder I tried to see what was actually there the more the object melted and stretched and morphed away from what it really looked like.

:feelsweirdman:





all people around her during the entire experience were tripping as well, and the monkey definitely noticed she looked like she was tripping at times..maybe she was and just didnt realize, I had thought of that. but there was experimentation done, where she would stare off at a pattern or close her eyes for a period of time...still nothing.

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She is not on any SSRIs or seratonin effecting medications either.




Are you sure?  There are a lot of medications other than SSRIs that can prevent a trip.  Sleeping medications?  Muscle relaxers?





she specifically did not take anything for this reason, she drank an ocassional cup of coffee, and smokes cigarettes, and she does smoke alot of synthetic cannabinoids. Is it possible that synthetic cannabinoids could could cause someone to trip less? It doesnt sound likely...


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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: elfspice_isnice]
    #14160799 - 03/21/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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she specifically did not take anything for this reason




For how long?

You need to be off a lot of the chemicals for up to a month before you can trip.

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: BothHands]
    #14160835 - 03/21/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Also having her "close her eyes and stare off at patterns" doesn't mean shit, because if she isn't having visuals she just isn't having visuals. 

BH: It's not an issue of needing to take more, that was 5 hits of the same batch where 4 hits was so visual I could barely see anything.  Also once the trip went visual it stayed that way without my focus.  And it wasn't the zoning out to induce visuals "focus" it was literally staring at a point trying to focus my vision and see what is actually there and it just slipped farther and farther out from under me.  People really underestimate the ability of acid to do anything.

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14160872 - 03/21/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

that is true, acid can vary very dramitcally with each experience.. i guess the only thing now would be to further experiment


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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: BothHands]
    #14160889 - 03/21/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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she specifically did not take anything for this reason




For how long?

You need to be off a lot of the chemicals for up to a month before you can trip.





she has not been on any antidepressants or anything like that for quite a long time, over a year at least. she takes the occasional benzo for anxiety, and none were taken that day or the day before.. she was recently on antibiotics, but not for at least a week, though i dont see the antibiotics effecting it either way


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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: elfspice_isnice]
    #14160909 - 03/21/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hmm, ok.  Well, sounds like some unexplainable anomaly to me.

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: BothHands]
    #14160942 - 03/21/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Hmm, ok.  Well, sounds like some unexplainable anomaly to me.




I'm getting kinda burnt out on these threads, it never seems like the person in question is being honest with the OP. Or the OP just doesn't know shit.

No offense to the Op of this thread.


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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: saxx]
    #14160968 - 03/21/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Hmm, ok.  Well, sounds like some unexplainable anomaly to me.




I'm getting kinda burnt out on these threads, it never seems like the person in question is being honest with the OP. Or the OP just doesn't know shit.

No offense to the Op of this thread.




Well there's nothing wrong with the OP being unknowledgable, that's why there's a forum, the reason I'm getting burnt out on these threads is because people just need to understand that psychedelics, especially LSD, just don't follow much of a pattern.  There's the typical predictability of the trip, but at the end of the day your brain has its way with you and anything could happen, there's just no point overanalyzing things.  If a psychedelic experience is lacking and there is no obvious reason why, try again.

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14161113 - 03/21/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Hmm, ok.  Well, sounds like some unexplainable anomaly to me.




I'm getting kinda burnt out on these threads, it never seems like the person in question is being honest with the OP. Or the OP just doesn't know shit.

No offense to the Op of this thread.




Well there's nothing wrong with the OP being unknowledgable, that's why there's a forum, the reason I'm getting burnt out on these threads is because people just need to understand that psychedelics, especially LSD, just don't follow much of a pattern.  There's the typical predictability of the trip, but at the end of the day your brain has its way with you and anything could happen, there's just no point overanalyzing things.  If a psychedelic experience is lacking and there is no obvious reason why, try again.





From my understanding there is a pattern. Usually classic psychedelics will almost always make someone trip without fail unless other substances are inhibiting the trip.

I'm not a scientist or an expert by any means though. Maybe i need to be more open minded.


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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: saxx]
    #14161555 - 03/21/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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saxx said:
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Hmm, ok.  Well, sounds like some unexplainable anomaly to me.




I'm getting kinda burnt out on these threads, it never seems like the person in question is being honest with the OP. Or the OP just doesn't know shit.

No offense to the Op of this thread.




Well there's nothing wrong with the OP being unknowledgable, that's why there's a forum, the reason I'm getting burnt out on these threads is because people just need to understand that psychedelics, especially LSD, just don't follow much of a pattern.  There's the typical predictability of the trip, but at the end of the day your brain has its way with you and anything could happen, there's just no point overanalyzing things.  If a psychedelic experience is lacking and there is no obvious reason why, try again.





From my understanding there is a pattern. Usually classic psychedelics will almost always make someone trip without fail unless other substances are inhibiting the trip.

I'm not a scientist or an expert by any means though. Maybe i need to be more open minded.




Right, but what I'm saying is acid has amazing "headfuck" potential.  I could easily see someone being so centered on the thought of 'why am i not tripping' that they literally have a whole trip centered around them never figuring out they were tripping the whole time. Then next time they drop they'll go 'whoa...this shit really fucked me last time, I was totally in this exact headspace the WHOLE time and didn't even realize what was going on"

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Re: how could lsd have no effect on someone? [Re: tokinman21]
    #14164443 - 03/22/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

to be honest, in response to those who think I may be overanalyzing the situation, that may be the case. the main reason for this post is on behalf of the monkey's sister, who is somewhat obsessing about the reasons why, and I also have thought that it merely was just a simple case of thinking too much into expecting more than it really is. the monkeys sister has no experience with psychedelics besides dmt, and the orignial post was for her because she had begged the monkey for these answers. As of now I will chalk it up as an unexplainable fluke as bothhands said. thank you all for your input


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