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OfflineThe_Ghost
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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14159073 - 03/21/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ellenallien said:
if you can get bloodclots in your legs that can kill you from sitting to long at the computer???
than how do Yogi's & others meditate sitting for hours, days, weeks in a life..??



You dont get bloodclots from just sitting but from shitty diets and no exercise. Yogi's do yoga and dont eat at mcdonalds :tongue2:


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: The_Ghost]
    #14159122 - 03/21/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The_Ghost said:
Quote:

ellenallien said:
if you can get bloodclots in your legs that can kill you from sitting to long at the computer???
than how do Yogi's & others meditate sitting for hours, days, weeks in a life..??



You dont get bloodclots from just sitting but from shitty diets and no exercise. Yogi's do yoga and dont eat at mcdonalds :tongue2:




What ellen refers to is a Deep Vein Thrombosis and it is some serious shit.

I had one, it became a pulmonary embolism and I thought I would die (especially when the doc tells you could of).

I felt as if all of my right ribs were broken.

What is weirder is that the cause of 80% of diagnosed embolism still remains unknown. And I'm one of them. So basically, you could get one today and theres 80% chance your doc wont know what to tell you.


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: Patlal]
    #14159172 - 03/21/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

omg0sh can u feel them from the outside? like bulging out? i scare easy!! :eek:


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14159217 - 03/21/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This is my experience,as i'm speaking the truth:

I was on an alcohol abuse for 10 years drinking daily around 4 to 5 liters of beer.
When you calculate this we talk about lots of beers in litres in the 10 years.
I also smoked cannabis daily in that period,like 3 to 6 gram per day.
Time by time i sniffed coke,
and amphetemines(2 years daily amphetemines)

I was scared my liver had damage after all that beer,and dope,
so i let tested my liver by an blood test.
I did not believed the outcome,since in numbers i had only 2% liver damage.
My doctor also did not believe me since i told him the complete truth.

I am for sure this was because i smoked daily cannabis,
i think the thc in my blood filtered all the toxics.
Dont forget thc stays up to 3 weeks as an fat in your blood.

I am an living example that thc from cannabis filters toxics out of the body like alcohol and maybe also amphetemines.
As for alcohol i know for sure cannabis filters the alcohol.

Some may not believe me but im telling the absolute truth.
Im glad my liver is barely not damaged.
Cannabis saved my liver,and maybe also my life.

This is my story which i want to share with all of you.


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: henk600]
    #14159233 - 03/21/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

henk600 said:
This is my experience,as i'm speaking the truth:

I was on an alcohol abuse for 10 years drinking daily around 4 to 5 liters of beer.
When you calculate this we talk about lots of beers in litres in the 10 years.
I also smoked cannabis daily in that period,like 3 to 6 gram per day.
Time by time i sniffed coke,
and amphetemines(2 years daily amphetemines)

I was scared my liver had damage after all that beer,and dope,
so i let tested my liver by an blood test.
I did not believed the outcome,since in numbers i had only 2% liver damage.
My doctor also did not believe me since i told him the complete truth.

I am for sure this was because i smoked daily cannabis,
i think the thc in my blood filtered all the toxics.
Dont forget thc stays up to 3 weeks as an fat in your blood.

I am an living example that thc from cannabis filters toxics out of the body like alcohol and maybe also amphetemines.
As for alcohol i know for sure cannabis filters the alcohol.

Some may not believe me but im telling the absolute truth.
Im glad my liver is barely not damaged.
Cannabis saved my liver,and maybe also my life.

This is my story which i want to share with all of you.



Cannabis doesn't protect your fuckin' liver from alcohol, it protects your brain from the damage it receives while drinking.

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Anonymous #6 said:
Yes, it is. The shine stands for his job title, which is Shoe Shiner, the moon stands for the time he comes out to be a nigger, which is best suited for the negroid camouflage.

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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: Moronicus]
    #14159268 - 03/21/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thats what you think,
but explain me how someone can drink around 11000 to 12000 liters of beer in 10 years with only 2% liver damage.
(without calculating the daily 1 gram of amphetemines 2 years )

Then we can talk since now you dont know what you're talking about.


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: henk600]
    #14159275 - 03/21/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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henk600 said:
Thats what you think,
but explain me how someone can drink around 11000 liters of alcohol in 10 years with only 2% liver damage.
(without calculating the daily 1 gram of amphetemines 2 years )

Then we can talk



The body regenerates itself :facepalm:

Also, I'm almost certain you didn't drink exactly 4 liters a day and you also didn't take into account how much water you drank..amongst a lot of other factors. :bored:


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A post about m00nshine

Anonymous #6 said:
Yes, it is. The shine stands for his job title, which is Shoe Shiner, the moon stands for the time he comes out to be a nigger, which is best suited for the negroid camouflage.

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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: Moronicus]
    #14159276 - 03/21/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

minimal 4 liters,
sometimes 6

water maybe 0.75 liter per day?
i did not calculate it since beer was my liquid to drink daily.

I woke up with beer and did go to bed with beer.
it was daily routine with my mates.


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: henk600]
    #14159483 - 03/21/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I drink far too much i really must start thinking about cutting down immensely

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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: microdotty]
    #14159519 - 03/21/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

there really is nothing conclusive about milk thistle yet


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: microdotty]
    #14159524 - 03/21/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Cutting down is a bitch if you've got the alky genes or conditioning like I do.

Best advice: exercise a lot, sleep a lot, eat healthy (and a lot), find new hobbies, and you'll be alright. If you don't do those things it can be really hard to cut down consistently.


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: henk600]
    #14159531 - 03/21/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

henk600 said:
This is my experience,as i'm speaking the truth:

I was on an alcohol abuse for 10 years drinking daily around 4 to 5 liters of beer.
When you calculate this we talk about lots of beers in litres in the 10 years.
I also smoked cannabis daily in that period,like 3 to 6 gram per day.
Time by time i sniffed coke,
and amphetemines(2 years daily amphetemines)

I was scared my liver had damage after all that beer,and dope,
so i let tested my liver by an blood test.
I did not believed the outcome,since in numbers i had only 2% liver damage.
My doctor also did not believe me since i told him the complete truth.

I am for sure this was because i smoked daily cannabis,
i think the thc in my blood filtered all the toxics.
Dont forget thc stays up to 3 weeks as an fat in your blood.

I am an living example that thc from cannabis filters toxics out of the body like alcohol and maybe also amphetemines.
As for alcohol i know for sure cannabis filters the alcohol.

Some may not believe me but im telling the absolute truth.
Im glad my liver is barely not damaged.
Cannabis saved my liver,and maybe also my life.

This is my story which i want to share with all of you.





your logic is retarded. correlation does not mean causation by your logic:

if im driving my car while having a smoke, and i dont crash, me not crashing was caused by my smoking.

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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14159538 - 03/21/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
Cutting down is a bitch if you've got the alky genes or conditioning like I do.

Best advice: exercise a lot, sleep a lot, eat healthy (and a lot), find new hobbies, and you'll be alright. If you don't do those things it can be really hard to cut down consistently.



I've done it before i've given up and stopped for a few weeks, but i slipped back in to drinking everynight again, and i've just got myself a full time job i usually have a few beers a night to get to sleep mainly..
Last time i stopped I didn't get the shakes or anything like that.. i just found it really hard to sleep!

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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: microdotty]
    #14159550 - 03/21/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I just get really restless and bored when I stop cold-turkey. Maybe some minor shakes.

That I get even that much is kind of worrisome to me...

I've stopped for long periods of time though, multiple times, and it's a fulltime thing - you have to take good care of yourself around the clock or your body is going to begin craving the alcohol again.

I don't know why it works that way but that is how it's been for me. :shrug:


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: BeverageFace]
    #14159555 - 03/21/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

your logic is retarded. correlation does not mean causation by your logic:

if im driving my car while having a smoke, and i dont crash, me not crashing was caused by my smoking.




this is one of the retarteds thing i ever readed,
but we peoples are not the same in thought fortunally.

you don''t have to believe me,
but saying that my logic is retarted is something said by you ,
but we have different thoughts and knowledge.
I also find your logic you wrote above retarted,
so we play 1-1.

@Tchan909 and microdotty:
yes stopping with alcohol is very hard,
the hardest i experienced as for drugs(i call alcohol drugs).
Took me 3 years to get it under control.
But once you can have control over it you will not make the same mistake so fast again.

But its a long road to have control over stopping alcohol,
i did not completely stopped,i drink now only in the weekends.
But still after the weekend i must fight to not drink daily again,
but i learned the lesson.Like i said,took me 3 years to learn that.

you can do it to.but its hard to stop,i know that very good.


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: henk600]
    #14159581 - 03/21/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

henk600 said:
Quote:

your logic is retarded. correlation does not mean causation by your logic:

if im driving my car while having a smoke, and i dont crash, me not crashing was caused by my smoking.




this is one of the retarteds thing i ever readed,
but we peoples are not the same in thought fortunally.

you don''t have to believe me,
but saying that my logic is retarted is something said by you ,
but we have different thoughts and knowledge.
I also find your logic you wrote above retarted.




Do you not understand? just because something happenned at the same time, doesnt mean one caused the other. It is basic logic. the example i provided use the same fundamental (flawed) logic you presented.

Quote:

The cum hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy can be expressed as follows:

    A occurs in correlation with B.
    Therefore, A causes B.

In this type of logical fallacy, one makes a premature conclusion about causality after observing only a correlation between two or more factors. Generally, if one factor (A) is observed to only be correlated with another factor (B), it is sometimes taken for granted that A is causing B even when no evidence supports it. This is a logical fallacy because there are at least five possibilities:

    A may be the cause of B.
    B may be the cause of A.
    some unknown third factor C may actually be the cause of both A and B.
    there may be a combination of the above three relationships. For example, B may be the cause of A at the same time as A is the cause of B (contradicting that the only relationship between A and B is that A causes B). This describes a self-reinforcing system.
    the "relationship" is a coincidence or so complex or indirect that it is more effectively called a coincidence (i.e. two events occurring at the same time that have no direct relationship to each other besides the fact that they are occurring at the same time). A larger sample size helps to reduce the chance of a coincidence, unless there is a systematic error in the experiment.

In other words, there can be no conclusion made regarding the existence or the direction of a cause and effect relationship only from the fact that A and B are correlated. Determining whether there is an actual cause and effect relationship requires further investigation, even when the relationship between A and B is statistically significant, a large effect size is observed, or a large part of the variance is explained.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cum_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: henk600]
    #14159617 - 03/21/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

henk600 said:
Quote:

your logic is retarded. correlation does not mean causation by your logic:

if im driving my car while having a smoke, and i dont crash, me not crashing was caused by my smoking.




this is one of the retarteds thing i ever readed,
but we peoples are not the same in thought fortunally.

you don''t have to believe me,
but saying that my logic is retarted is something said by you ,
but we have different thoughts and knowledge.
I also find your logic you wrote above retarted,
so we play 1-1.

@Tchan909 and microdotty:
yes stopping with alcohol is very hard,
the hardest i experienced as for drugs(i call alcohol drugs).
Took me 3 years to get it under control.
But once you can have control over it you will not make the same mistake so fast again.

But its a long road to have control over stopping alcohol,
i did not completely stopped,i drink now only in the weekends.
But still after the weekend i must fight to not drink daily again,
but i learned the lesson.Like i said,took me 3 years to learn that.

you can do it to.but its hard to stop,i know that very good.




Niet op letten man dat is die amerikaanse mentaliteit. Goed da je van alcoholverslaving af bent en jouw lever is hardcore als ie 2 jaar tegen speed kan.

Blijf sterk heh:happyweed:

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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: Beanhead]
    #14159674 - 03/21/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Niet op letten man dat is die amerikaanse mentaliteit. Goed da je van alcoholverslaving af bent en jouw lever is hardcore als ie 2 jaar tegen speed kan.

Blijf sterk heh:happyweed:




bedankt man!
ik snap zn laatste bewering niet zo met zn a+b...
daarom reageer ik er niet eens meer op anders staan er straks 2 paginas vol ;-)

Groeten,
henk
(ik ben blij dat er hier ook hollanders komen;-)  )


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: Patlal]
    #14159921 - 03/21/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Not as much as I think about my knees.


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Re: Do you guys ever think about your liver? [Re: henk600]
    #14160162 - 03/21/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wish I could join this conversation, I'm Dutch but having lived in America my whole life I don't know the language. :picard:


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