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[NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum
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Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum March 21, 2011 - newsli.com
(New York ) - In an effort to protect the youth of New York State, the State Senate today passed legislation, sponsored by Senator John Flanagan (R-C-I, East Northport), to ban the sale of the legal hallucinogen salvia divinorum.
Senator Flanagan renewed his efforts to ban the dangerous herb following media reports that Ryan Santanna, a 21-year old Roosevelt Island resident, had allegedly been smoking salvia divinorum before apparently leaping to his death in Roosevelt Island earlier this month. This is the same legal substance that pop star Miley Cyrus was allegedly smoking in a widely distributed video clip in December of last year.
Senator Flanagan has been pushing for a statewide ban of the hallucinogen, which is widely claimed to have the same effects as lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), since 2005. Although he has been successful in gaining Senate passage of the ban four separate times, the State Assembly has failed to act. He is hopeful, with the sponsorship of Assemblyman Peter Rivera, that the Assembly will act on the bill this year.
“This legislation has passed the Senate four times in the past and it is important that the parents of New York know that their state is standing with them in the fight against drugs. It is time to protect our younger residents from this dangerous substance and impose a ban immediately in New York State before another tragedy occurs,” stated Senator Flanagan.
“This substance poses a dangerous threat to young people that use it,” Senate Majority Leader Dean G. Skelos said. “I applaud Senator Flanagan for taking the lead in addressing this problem and I hope the Assembly will join us in passing this bill so it can be enacted into law.”
Salvia divinorum, also known as Diviner’s Sage, Sister Salvia, Ska Maria Pastora or simply salvia, is a psychoactive plant from the mint family and is currently available on the Internet and in stores without age restrictions.
According to the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), salvia divinorum is chewed or smoked to induce illusions and hallucinations, the diversity of which is described by users as similar to those induced by ketamine, mescaline, or psilocybin. It is currently under review by the medical and scientific community to determine if it should be a controlled substance.
While the long-term effects are still being studied, the National Drug Intelligence Center has indicated that they may be similar to those produced by other hallucinogens such as LSD, including depression and schizophrenia.
Some abusers also indicate that long-term abuse can cause Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder, or “flashbacks.” Numerous individuals report experiencing negative effects during their first experience with salvia divinorum and indicate that they would not use it a second time. Some others report that the drug caused them to become introverted and sometimes unable to communicate clearly.
Senator Flanagan’s legislation, which would go into effect 60 days after becoming law, would subject violators to a civil penalty of up to $500 per violation.
“We have seen the impact this legal substance can have on our communities and the danger it poses is clear and it is real. This is a destructive legally-sold gateway to further drug use that should be off our store shelves,” stated Senator Flanagan. “Now that the Senate has passed the bill, I look forward to working with Assemblyman Rivera and Assemblyman Carl Heastie, who have been working with my office on this issue, to finally protect families and get this substance off our streets.”
In addition, the Senate approved legislation (S.657), sponsored by Senator Dave Valesky (D, Syracuse), that makes possession and sale of embalming fluid a misdemeanor. The legislation bans using or possessing embalming fluid as a recreational drug.
People use embalming fluid as a mind altering substance, especially to enhance the effects of other illegal drugs. There are no legal consequences for anyone caught with embalming fluid.
Marijuana cigarettes soaked in embalming fluid have been linked to several crimes in Central New York, including a hit-and-run crash in which a driver high on drugs ran over two people in Syracuse, as well as a home invasion in 2005 in Oswego County in which an entire family, including a 5-year-old child, was held at gunpoint.
The bills were sent to the Assembly.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: veggie]
#14159722 - 03/21/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i encourage everyone to write a well worded and intelligent letter to this piece of shit senator, thank you
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: gushtunkinflupped]
#14159796 - 03/21/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did that like last week. I received no reply. He probably reads the title and trashes the email.
Also, at this point, you aren't going to change Flanagan's mind, and it doesn't matter, because the bill is past the first stage. Please write Mr. Rivera here or Mr. Heastie here, if you want to impede the bill's progress.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: veggie]
#14159863 - 03/21/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is the same legal substance that pop star Miley Cyrus was allegedly smoking in a widely distributed video clip in December of last year.
i knew this would come back and bite on the ass some day
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: destructo_low]
#14159879 - 03/21/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is my message I sent. DO NOT COPY MY MESSAGE WORD FOR WORD. Use it as a basis to form your own. We will have a much greater impact, if you compose your own sentences.
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Dear Mr. Rivera,
I am writing to encourage you to not support Mr. Flanagan's ban on Salvia Divinorum. Salvia has caused one tragedy, but take a step back and look at the number of tragedies caused by alcohol and tobacco on a yearly basis. John Flanagan's proposed ban serves no real intent to protect the public. Banning tobacco and alcohol would do a much greater justice to society. Once banned, adults who find a black market, street source for Salvia Divinorum will be purchasing it with much less knowledge, as far as responsible consumption, being transfered from the seller to the consumer. Also, once Salvia Divinorum is sold in the black market, New York loses sales tax, which it could have gained. Taxation and regulation of drugs, for adults twenty-one and over, is a far more effective tool, when coupled with proper drug education and product labeling. By passing Flanagan's bill, we will be incriminating more people who are good citizens. Ryan Santanna would have been one of those people, and we can tell he was an outstanding citizen. Once again, I urge you to propose more effective legislation to regulate Salvia Divinorum to adults twenty-one and older, provide accurate product warnings on the packages, and prevent incriminating many more of our fellow Americans.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: destructo_low]
#14159911 - 03/21/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is the entire list of New York State Assembly members. I suggest you write EVERY single one. Just copy and paste your same message. It's the least we can do. These people will be hearing Flanagan's bill next.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: destructo_low]
#14159976 - 03/21/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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did anyone else notice towards the bottom, the part about embalming fluid.
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what an ignorant fuck
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14160235 - 03/21/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Embalming fluid? You should ban anyone named molly as well.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: sk8fast]
#14160380 - 03/21/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is a destructive legally-sold gateway to further drug use that should be off our store shelves,” stated Senator Flanagan.
FUCK YOU!
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: sk8fast]
#14160410 - 03/21/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sk8fast said: Embalming fluid? You should ban anyone named molly as well.
And ban all weeds, and all pots.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: 5-HT2A]
#14160445 - 03/21/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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5-HT2A said:
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This is a destructive legally-sold gateway to further drug use that should be off our store shelves,” stated Senator Flanagan.
FUCK YOU!
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: eLShaMukO]
#14160557 - 03/21/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The article lost it's credibility for me very near the top:
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Senator Flanagan renewed his efforts to ban the dangerous herb following media reports that Ryan Santanna, a 21-year old Roosevelt Island resident, had allegedly been smoking salvia divinorum before apparently leaping to his death in Roosevelt Island earlier this month.
Wow. Extremely strong basis for banning a relatively harmless drug 
I know it's intense, but man, when I broke through on salvia I wasn't even aware I had a body or was connected to this world in any way. How the fuck did someone manage to run and jump out a window?
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: veggie]
#14160637 - 03/21/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Senator Flanagan has been pushing for a statewide ban of the hallucinogen, which is widely claimed to have the same effects as lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD
Funny how the media always seems to reference Salvia to LSD.
There is a lot of BS in this article such as claiming Salvia causes HPPD and Flashbacks. Considering salvia is a 10 minute trip I'd say it is impossible to trip enough to even begin developing any HPPD. As for flashbacks, I still don't really understand what people mean by the term. I am positive none of these effects have been linked to Salvia, they just copied and pasted this stuff from some government LSD info page.
As for the embalming fluid rant...WTF was that all about?
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: demon66]
#14161561 - 03/21/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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On the bright side, the website says on their about page:
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We simply report the news you’ll hear no-where else.
So maybe the only reason this isn't getting any attention is because it has no juice in the assembly. But I have no way of knowing if that is reasonable.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: 5-HT2A] 1
#14162804 - 03/22/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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5-HT2A said:
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This is a destructive legally-sold gateway to further drug use that should be off our store shelves,” stated Senator Flanagan.
FUCK YOU!
I will provide drugs of choice to anyone who assassinates this man. PM me.
Wow, a little hardcore there. you should be careful with saying stuff like that. It's illegal.
Anyway, I went to the site where this came from. They had a video on the side with a doctor saying smoking salvia is just depriving your brain of oxygen. It's disgusting that a doctor can go on the news and tell flat out bullshit.
The doctor's name is Jeff Reynolds and he works with the organization LICAAD (Long Island Council on Alcohol and Drug Dependence.)
Contact Info: Phone Number of LICAAD: (516) 747-2606 Fax Number of LICAAD: (516) 747-0714
I looked him up in Yellow Pages and found another Jeff L. Reynolds, but sadly it was Jeffrey L. Reynolds and Jeffery L. Reynolds. Totally would have sucked if I gave some random guys number here. Anyway call LICAAD and tell them what you think about Dr. Reynolds.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: Darwin23]
#14163648 - 03/22/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Darwin23 said: Anyway, I went to the site where this came from. They had a video on the side with a doctor saying smoking salvia is just depriving your brain of oxygen. It's disgusting that a doctor can go on the news and tell flat out bullshit.
Smoking anything releases carbon monoxide which does deprive your body of oxygen. Usually your body rations the oxygen away from things like your skin and limbs, and your brain still gets enough oxygen. But when people hold their breath for such an extended peroid of time like they do with Salvia, there's definitely a small amount of deprivation to the brain as well. Probably not significant unless you're smoking all day every day, but it's not a flat out lie like some of the other things on there.
I'm more concerned about the fact that "embalming fluid" is just a street name for PCP, but now actual embalming fluid (which contains no PCP) is being banned too. Now that's some shit.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: BothHands]
#14164031 - 03/22/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Salvia sucks anyway.... but still motherfuckers get shitty drunk and wreck their cars killing themselves and other people ALL the time, why don't we pass a bill to ban that shit??
And if you smoke formaldehyde your fuckin retarded, period.
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#14164054 - 03/22/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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PCP is "angel dust"in the same class as ketamine. Embalming fluid is formaldehyde.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: shopdropper]
#14164073 - 03/22/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well, formaldehyde is now illegal to possess in NY state; so it doesnt really matter if its a drug or not, because the hype from some slang sure as hell got to someone.
its like that little portion at the end of this news article embodies everything that is drug prohibition.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: shopdropper]
#14164078 - 03/22/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, "embalming fluid" is a street name for PCP. No one actually smokes formaldehyde. They smoke PCP and call it embalming fluid. I just think it really demonstrates the shocking lack of research done that they banned formaldehyde over a street name. As someone before me said, should we ban everyone named molly?
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: BothHands]
#14164566 - 03/22/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah i think your right as explained in this article
and it seems that everyone is totally confused [link]
"This drug phenomenon has very similar effects to that of PCP (phencyclidine) by causing extreme hallucinations."
It seems insane that a law can be based on such a mistranslation.
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Re: [NY] Senate Passes Bill To Ban Salvia Divinorum [Re: tosatori]
#14165314 - 03/22/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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People do smoke formaldehyde! Crazy fuckers dip ciggarettes or joints in it, its called a sherm stick.fuckin weirdoes shit is right up there with smokin crack.
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#14165435 - 03/22/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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shopdropper said: People do smoke formaldehyde! Crazy fuckers dip ciggarettes or joints in it, its called a sherm stick.fuckin weirdoes shit is right up there with smokin crack.
you have witnessed people dipping cigarettes in formaldehyde and then smoking them personally?
....because i know for a fact that if you dip a cigarette in formaldehyde and then try to light it at any point it is just going to burn in a huge flame and you wont be smoking it.
i really doubt anyone actually smokes embalming fluid or formaldehyde. theyre highly flammable and it just wouldnt work the way people think it would. not to mention that it would taste horrible and not get you high. its not the kind of chemical that vaporizes when heated or on fire, it burns completely and is consumed by the fire.
i think (if you arent just trolling or being sarcastic) that you may have fallen victim to the same bullshit the media did in this case.
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