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#14159381 - 03/21/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My grandmother was watching a show about LSD and it's medical uses, and I'm pretty sure she said something along these lines..
"They are trying to extract a "legal" drug in LSD, to be used to help treat schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses."
Did anyone happen to see this show?
Know about an article with something similar?
Or did I just hear her wrong?
I'm very interested. Help meh out shroomery!
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Re: LSD [Re: Eshu]
#14159396 - 03/21/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well LSD is LSD. You can't extract anything from it. So you heard wrong or she said it wrong. Maybe a precursor or tweaking LSD or something. IDK
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Re: LSD [Re: Eshu]
#14159407 - 03/21/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know exactly what you are talking about. It's not "extracting a legal drug from LSD", that makes no sense. LSD is a drug that was originally used in treatment of illnesses from addiction to autism to schizophrenia to anxiety, depression, and cluster headaches and migraines and it was very successful. A good deal of the success when it comes to mental disorders has to do with the psychoactive effect which enables users to push the boundaries of their mind. What some BS scientists are trying to do is use bromo-LSD, which is LSD minus the trip, to treat these diseases, even though regular LSD would obviously be the best choice.
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There's an entire spectra of ergot derived drugs. I am sure some have medical use.
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Re: LSD [Re: Eshu]
#14159417 - 03/21/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Serotonergic systems are heavily involved in a variety of psychiatric disorders.
Thus, it's plausible to imagine some structural modifications that would yield a new drug with therapeutic benefit.
At least that's my guess as to what you heard.
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28064212 said: I know exactly what you are talking about. It's not "extracting a legal drug from LSD", that makes no sense. LSD is a drug that was originally used in treatment of illnesses from addiction to autism to schizophrenia to anxiety, depression, and cluster headaches and migraines and it was very successful. A good deal of the success when it comes to mental disorders has to do with the psychoactive effect which enables users to push the boundaries of their mind. What some BS scientists are trying to do is use bromo-LSD, which is LSD minus the trip, to treat these diseases, even though regular LSD would obviously be the best choice.

This sounds amazingly close to what I heard, before I asked "what did they say" and she said what I OP'd.

Maybe in the future I'll be taking LSD to treat my schizo.
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Re: LSD [Re: Eshu]
#14159428 - 03/21/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The show was a natgeo special on LSD. Visit MAPS to see more information on the medical uses of LSD, and there is infinite information on the internet of clinical use from the 70's and trials they are doing now. LSD could offer something for you and your issues with schizophrenia, if you are seriously considering looking into this I recommend you read some of Stanislav Grof's books and research he did with schizophrenics and LSD, along with reading The Acid Diaries by Christopher Gray, which does a brief and very good but not complete overview of LSD research from it's discovery up until it's prohibition and even further.
Eshu- feel free to me for more information!
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28064212 said: The show was a natgeo special on LSD. Visit MAPS to see more information on the medical uses of LSD, and there is infinite information on the internet of clinical use from the 70's and trials they are doing now. LSD could offer something for you and your issues with schizophrenia, if you are seriously considering looking into this I recommend you read some of Stanislav Grof's books and research he did with schizophrenics and LSD, along with reading The Acid Diaries by Christopher Gray, which does a brief and very good but not complete overview of LSD research from it's discovery up until it's prohibition and even further.
Sweet! I assume I can get these on Amazon?
I wish LSD wasn't illegal, because I'd love to openly try it, and not have fear of MHU/Jail time. Also, I'm not sure my mom would fare to well with me saying "I'm going to use some LSD" ( I still live at home haters. ) =P
One day, I'll try it. I'm sure!
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Re: LSD [Re: FlusH]
#14159447 - 03/21/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: LSD [Re: Eshu]
#14159451 - 03/21/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eshu said:
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28064212 said: The show was a natgeo special on LSD. Visit MAPS to see more information on the medical uses of LSD, and there is infinite information on the internet of clinical use from the 70's and trials they are doing now. LSD could offer something for you and your issues with schizophrenia, if you are seriously considering looking into this I recommend you read some of Stanislav Grof's books and research he did with schizophrenics and LSD, along with reading The Acid Diaries by Christopher Gray, which does a brief and very good but not complete overview of LSD research from it's discovery up until it's prohibition and even further.
Sweet! I assume I can get these on Amazon?
I wish LSD wasn't illegal, because I'd love to openly try it, and not have fear of MHU/Jail time. Also, I'm not sure my mom would fare to well with me saying "I'm going to use some LSD" ( I still live at home haters. ) =P
One day, I'll try it. I'm sure!
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Re: LSD [Re: FlusH]
#14159458 - 03/21/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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FlusH said: Could she be talking about Methysergide?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methysergide
I don't think so. It doesn't sound familiar, and in the wiki page it said nothing about treating mental illness, just migraines.
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Re: LSD [Re: FlusH]
#14159484 - 03/21/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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FlusH said: Could she be talking about Methysergide?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methysergide
1. get prescribed methysergide 2. take 8 pills 3. ???? 4.  5. profit!!!
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Re: LSD [Re: Caine]
#14159503 - 03/21/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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someone in one my college classes was talking a lot about that he heard of someone's theories of lsd to potentially cure schizophrenia... i don't remember the exact details though but it had to do with the different stages lsd can take you through.
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Maybe losing one's ego would cure it
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Re: LSD [Re: Caine]
#14159536 - 03/21/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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1. Buy Everything Stanislav Grof ever wrote 2. But The Acid Diaries by Christopher Gray 3. Buy books by all the people he mentions in there 4. READ!!! 5. Buy LSD 6. Trip. 7. PROFIT!... or PROPHET!
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I believe it was an LSD analogue that had no psychedelic effects and they were using it to treat cluster headaches.
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Re: LSD [Re: SS32]
#14159609 - 03/21/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wish LSD were legal.
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does anyone have good access to it? it comes and goes where i live. adn right now its here! for the warmthhh
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Re: LSD [Re: Books]
#14159851 - 03/21/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grandma probably heard/interpreted it wrong. Mushrooms are being looked at as a way to cure stress before death and cluster headaches, and i think LSD can be used to treat cluster headaches but schizophrenia? kinda seem like throwing fuel on the fire IMO
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All sertonogenic psychedelics have been shown to be great for migraines, cluster headaches, and mental disorders.
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Re: LSD [Re: Eshu]
#14159938 - 03/21/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eshu, for what it's worth they also diagnosed me with Schizophrenia way back in the day. I've also eaten a whole lot of LSD in my time. And I'm 100% sure I do not have schizophrenia, whatever that is. (They don't even really know)
Maybe their diagnosis was 100% bullshit (probably) or maybe LSD cured me. But I sure as fuck didn't take THEIR mind-bending drugs, I found my own. Well, I tried their drugs, but they just fucked me up even more.
Psychedelics, when used responsibly and as a useful tool, are one of the greatest tools I know of for breaking mental barriers and overcoming trans-personal issues and past traumas and whatnot. I don't want to say LSD is a wonder drug, but it is. When used responsibly and in a safe setting it's therapeutic benefits for psychological problems is off the fucking charts.
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Shroomism said: Eshu, for what it's worth they also diagnosed me with Schizophrenia way back in the day. I've also eaten a whole lot of LSD in my time. And I'm 100% sure I do not have schizophrenia, whatever that is. (They don't even really know)
Maybe their diagnosis was 100% bullshit (probably) or maybe LSD cured me. But I sure as fuck didn't take THEIR mind-bending drugs, I found my own. Well, I tried their drugs, but they just fucked me up even more.
Psychedelics, when used responsibly and as a useful tool, are one of the greatest tools I know of for breaking mental barriers and overcoming trans-personal issues and past traumas and whatnot. I don't want to say LSD is a wonder drug, but it is. When used responsibly and in a safe setting it's therapeutic benefits for psychological problems is off the fucking charts.
                                            
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Re: LSD [Re: Books]
#14160719 - 03/21/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Books said: does anyone have good access to it? it comes and goes where i live. adn right now its here! for the warmthhh
not around here unfrntly
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Shroomism said: But I sure as fuck didn't take THEIR mind-bending drugs, I found my own.
That's the key. If you're diagnosed schizo then agree to take their drugs it's game over you will be "schizo" for life no doubt.
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Re: LSD [Re: Eshu]
#14160779 - 03/21/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eshu said: My grandmother was watching a show about LSD and it's medical uses, and I'm pretty sure she said something along these lines..
"They are trying to extract a "legal" drug in LSD, to be used to help treat schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses."
Did anyone happen to see this show?
Know about an article with something similar?
Or did I just hear her wrong?
I'm very interested. Help meh out shroomery!

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Eshu said: My grandmother was watching a show about LSD and it's medical uses, and I'm pretty sure she said something along these lines..
"They are trying to extract a "legal" drug in LSD, to be used to help treat schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses."
Did anyone happen to see this show?
Know about an article with something similar?
Or did I just hear her wrong?
I'm very interested. Help meh out shroomery!

Well, I did happen to see a show a while ago on on Netgeo. (I think) But, they have shown that just the synthesised form of LSD. I'm not sure what they called it. But its non hallucinogenic, and it's shown to help cluster headaches. Which are headaches that are just unbearable. They have studies that prove LSD (Hallucingenic) helps improve cluster head aches. But they would synthesise LSD and make it for cluster headache sufferers. Something along those lines. Not to informational, or clear but, I do to many drugs to remember.
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Re: LSD [Re: eloC]
#14160789 - 03/21/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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was that "drug inc.- psychedelics? " or.. hmm. Theres been a handful of em i just cant remember the names
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Re: LSD [Re: Eshu]
#14161041 - 03/21/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eshu said: My grandmother was watching a show about LSD and it's medical uses, and I'm pretty sure she said something along these lines..
"They are trying to extract a "legal" drug in LSD, to be used to help treat schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses."
Did anyone happen to see this show?
Know about an article with something similar?
Or did I just hear her wrong?
I'm very interested. Help meh out shroomery!

could lsd actually be helpful to treat these illnesses?
it seems to me like it would be awesome if it could
but do we really know enough about the mind to make a strong arguement for it or against it?
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Re: LSD [Re: igwna]
#14161122 - 03/21/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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theMERRYiguana said:
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Eshu said: My grandmother was watching a show about LSD and it's medical uses, and I'm pretty sure she said something along these lines..
"They are trying to extract a "legal" drug in LSD, to be used to help treat schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses."
Did anyone happen to see this show?
Know about an article with something similar?
Or did I just hear her wrong?
I'm very interested. Help meh out shroomery!

could lsd actually be helpful to treat these illnesses?
it seems to me like it would be awesome if it could
but do we really know enough about the mind to make a strong arguement for it or against it?
Read my posts dude.
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