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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14155588 - 03/20/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do you think there might be things to learn within all those extravagant happenings?


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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: R2-D2]
    #14156006 - 03/20/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

In the past I have stretched my imagination to find tenuous connections, created metaphorical interpretations, and utilized dream analysis strategies to learn something about my trips, to integrate.  Unfortunately, I find the results of such a process counterproductive, un-enlightening, and leading me around in nonsensical Terence Mckenna type circles.  I don't think my trips have any substantive value to them other than a WTF rollercoaster ride.


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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14156148 - 03/20/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah I was gonna target that too.

If you are obsessed with not having any meaning in your trip, and it's all bullshit, then you will have a bullshit trip.

I cant possibly concieve why anyone would want something so utterly pointless(of you own choosing no less)




When I was deep into psychedelic magic and lore, my trips would bring on delusional states.  One time I was convinced that a MHRB vendor created this whole forum with the intent of getting me to buy large quantities of root bark from him.  I believed he made every post on the boards to entice and fool me.  It was just an elaborate two way conversation to get my money.  I was convinced.  Another time I thought a rock star and my girl friend from high school had sex with each other and I was their child.  Another time I was sure that God crashed my trip in my living room and was speaking with me through the music on my laptop.  Another time I morphed from a slave crawling in the Egyptian desert into the sphinx. 

Care to tell me any of these were less than pure, unadulterated bullshit?  To treat them as anything more than nonsense would be like jerking off to internet porn and convincing myself that I really fucked her.



Hmm...well first off it sounds like most, if not all of your trips were fairly high doses. I have never been delusional on shrooms, only salvia. Secondly, it seems that you trip most of the time in the comfort of your home, on the computer perhaps...All of my trips have been in nature and thus, i am surrounded by life...when I notice this the trips always take spiritual turns and i start to gain knowledge that seems of significance. I take small lessons away from each shroom trip but most of the amazing one-consciousness feeling will fade as I come down. Giving the differences in our circumstances I think that we view trips very differently and therefore may not agree on whether or not anything is learned or that it is all BS. I would need to talk with someone that could relate to me.
I have always been a human on shrooms. I just felt part of something much bigger.


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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14156184 - 03/20/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think a lot of the psychedelic experience is "bullshit" in the end as well, but it still can be somewhat useful.

The one thing I've really "learned" by experiencing first hand is how fragile the human mind can be. I find it amazing that adding a few chemicals to your brain chemistry can completely change your perception of reality.

There are a lot of ideas and concepts that you can discover without psychedelics... but psychedelics actually make you "feel" the ideas. For example, I always felt my life and this entire planet were insignificant in the grand scheme of the universe... but staring into the night sky under the influence of psychedelics really makes you "feel" that thought in a way that's hard to put into words. I think for some people these feelings help make them more disillusioned, but I've found it to be useful personally.

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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: Ryusaki]
    #14156818 - 03/20/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I use psychedelics because I like the state of mind it puts me in. I like the visual distortion, the colors, the intense closed eye visuals on high doses...even ego death can be an enjoyable experience.




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to joemolloy:


I often had access to early childhood memories which i simply cannot access when sober. Not to mention the power to dissolve traumas and phobias. I had a strong phobia when i was younger, after a trip , i lost this phobia.
I often have creative blockades where i want to, but cannot push myself to actually be creative. When administer any psychedelic in this state it dissolves immediately and forces me into an state where i would go on until i break down due to tiredness. It completely changes into the opposite.
It gave me the strangest and greatest pictures i ve ever painted, brought forth from my deepest subconscious level, these images are completely different than the stuff i made when sober.

IMHO psychedelics can bring the best out of you,




Same here, no drawing blockages on shrooms whatsoever, except when I'm too fucked up to move the pencil ofcourse. I think phycs are very useful as a part of living and enjoying life and breaking down mental barriers. But thats where it ends.

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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: visionstream]
    #14156989 - 03/20/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There is no "meaning", there are no "epiphanies", and there is no "enlightenment" either - until you finally see it.  And then the rest is all simply laughable, so enjoy the journey. :grin:

Useful drugs?  Absolutely.  Scary?  Sometimes.  Incredible?  Often.  Irreplaceable? Yes. They can show you things you never would have imagined without tripping. But what happens afterwards is that your ego comes along and takes credit for everything that happened, like usual. :zombie6:  Sad fact until you get past it.

OP, don't worry about the frequency.  First, it's self limiting, and second, it can't hurt you.  However, you do have to go through the crap to get to get to the good stuff.

@joemolloy:
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When I was deep into psychedelic magic and lore, my trips would bring on delusional states.  One time I was convinced that a MHRB vendor created this whole forum with the intent of getting me to buy large quantities of root bark from him.  I believed he made every post on the boards to entice and fool me.  It was just an elaborate two way conversation to get my money.  I was convinced.  Another time I thought a rock star and my girl friend from high school had sex with each other and I was their child.  Another time I was sure that God crashed my trip in my living room and was speaking with me through the music on my laptop.  Another time I morphed from a slave crawling in the Egyptian desert into the sphinx.




:ilold:  Dude, sometimes a trip is just a trip!  Those were choice!

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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14157249 - 03/21/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I sometimes get worried that I did go batshit crazy from psychedelics, especially when I'm high.  In reality, I always thought I was an awkward kid throughout high school, but sometimes I fear psychedelics further alienated me from the rest of society.

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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: samhandwich]
    #14157257 - 03/21/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)




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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14157580 - 03/21/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Enjoyed the debate Joe.  Why do you now visit this site?

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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: farmer88]
    #14157590 - 03/21/11 01:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

When you run out of money.

But really if it starts becoming something you do for a fun activity only instead of using them to find(explore) more about yourself and the world around you.

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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: Subconscious]
    #14157630 - 03/21/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Subconscious said:
I think a lot of the psychedelic experience is "bullshit" in the end as well, but it still can be somewhat useful.





I think it depends on what your looking for/expect.  I have also found it to be more than "somewhat useful", but that's just me.


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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: Luman]
    #14157861 - 03/21/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I live in the now, therefore I will do what pleases me now, and psychedelics please me now. If or when they do not in the future, I will then change my situation, be that as it may.

Now, health concerns? There's plenty of time to stop and say "wow, this is overboard." Generally, I don't approve of anything over a normal dosage, with very steady increase or maybe one hit of acid more at a concert just because its a concert. I understand people take more than just one or two hits of acid at a time (I'm one of them). I really feel like you should just know when overboard is :shrug:, but maybe that's just me. I also think you should know your substance, use moderation, and take tolerance breaks if need be.


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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: Joolz]
    #14158107 - 03/21/11 06:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

A while ago my friend and I were tripping on 3.5 grams.  We had been looking into all this mystical psychedelic shit beforehand, but when we got into the trip (at least, that one) it turned out to be the most delirious, manic, ridiculous affair ever--that, for about an hour, consisted of the most ridiculous quasi-telepathic word-salad conversation ever.  At one point I was, perhaps in not so many coherent words, thinking to myself while laughing hysterically, "THIS is supposed to be a religious experience?  Yeah right!  What kind of a religion is THIS?!"  But all that came out was, "RELIGION????!!!!"  And my friend knew exactly what I was talking about.  A conversation like this, with single words communicating complete thoughts, uttered hysterically in between gasps for breath while laughing our asses of, went on for like an hour.  It was awesome.

By the same token, I have had very gentle and introspective and quasi-mystical, almost very "feminine" trips with my guy friends...like, if you can imagine what the "Lifetime channel" version of tripping would be like.  It all depends.

A lesson I came to a while ago was that psychedelics are oftentimes actually the ultimate ego-booster, in a sense.  Sure, during the experience itself they might destroy your ego, but afterwards you think to yourself, "Damn, I just experienced ego-death and lived to tell the tale."  And one feels a certain validation of one's strength from this and a certain sense of confidence.  At least I do.  And, moreover, I don't necessarily think that this is a bad thing.  I feel like it is a basis for self-esteem that doesn't require putting others down or being defensive, which is better than a lot of possible bases for self-esteem.  If adults who made themselves feel better about themselves by gloating over their high status or material wealth compared to others could successfully trip on psychedelics, they could affirm their strength and self-confidence without playing the harmful zero-sum games that society has for self-esteem.  What I like about the ego-boosting of psychedelics is that it is not a zero-sum game.  When you trip, you feel a certain achievement about yourself afterwards, but you also have a solemn respect for others who have also taken the quest.

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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: farmer88]
    #14158236 - 03/21/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Enjoyed the debate Joe.  Why do you now visit this site?





I trip mostly on cactus now and I'll smoke changa on occasion. I still love these drugs, just in a different way.  It's strange when smoking DMT, no matter how deep the trip I get an overwhelming feeling that its a cheap rollercoaster ride, a self indulgent empty thrill.  Its interesting how even DMT, the most powerful psychedelic, is so drastically altered by mindset.  When I compare my recent trips with previous ones, it feels like I am taking a different drug altogether because I am no longer open to its mysticism.  I rarely do DMT anymore. 

This site is important to me because I don't know any drug users in real life and this place provides me with an important outlet to share my thoughts, bullshit with other like minded individuals, and read how others live this lifestyle.


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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: visionstream]
    #14316321 - 04/19/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I can give you my experience with psychedelics.  When I first started tripping, I believed these drugs gave me access to alternate realities such as the subatomic world, the lives of plants, cosmic consciousness, the experience of infinity, glimpses of life after death, life before death, life beyond life and Buddhist type enlightenment.  I was convinced that these drugs were vital to understanding the universe and my place in it.  I couldn't understand how governments weren't actively studying these drugs, why scientists generally ignored them, and why DMT wasn't a monetary currency in the world market.  I'd spend much of my sober time trying to unravel the mysteries of the experience, studying my notes, listening to my audio-recordings of my trips, reading psychedelic literature, and participating in forums with like-minded thinkers.

Finally I arrived at an epiphany, probably the most powerful idea I'd ever encountered.  The experience is bullshit.  There is nothing substantive there, nothing that can deepen any understanding of anything.  This shit just confuses and obscures and points in random directions.  None of the existential questions that I have can ever be answered, have ever been answered, nor will be answered during my stay on earth.

These drugs are jerking off and masturbation.  Treating them as anything more than that was bad for my mental health.

Of course, your experience and interpretation may differ dramatically from mine and I hope you find peace.




I see your point of view, but beg to differ at the same time.
Each person creates their own reality and everyone reality differs from one another even if its only about 1 opinion on a small subject.
If these chemicals can show me that the human-culture and greed oriented perception is not the only one then I think there is more to learn. I don't think I will find all the answers either. The mind is as vast or more vast and just as in-understandable as the external universe. I see what your saying but I don't think that the typical human celebrity worshiping, money driven culture is what humans truly want. I think love is a powerful force and psychedelics offer a few things we can learn from, no?




No, not really. I think you're getting way ahead of yourself. I mean if psychedelics are the only way you think you can see life differently from a commercial viewpoint, then you need to do a lot of learning and forget about psychedelics. Drugs are about having fun.
And 3.5gs (1/8 ounce) is a normal dose on shrooms.
And you really can't expect to go on the internet and have people figure out your life for you. You have to watch yourself. If you feel drugs are changing your life for the worse, then stop. It shouldn't be hard to tell.
Especially if your eyes have been opened up so wide:tongue::tongue2:


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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: visionstream]
    #14316355 - 04/19/11 09:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing wrong as long as you arent hurting yourself or anyone else.

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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: Comradez]
    #14316385 - 04/19/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A while ago my friend and I were tripping on 3.5 grams.  We had been looking into all this mystical psychedelic shit beforehand, but when we got into the trip (at least, that one) it turned out to be the most delirious, manic, ridiculous affair ever--that, for about an hour, consisted of the most ridiculous quasi-telepathic word-salad conversation ever.  At one point I was, perhaps in not so many coherent words, thinking to myself while laughing hysterically, "THIS is supposed to be a religious experience?  Yeah right!  What kind of a religion is THIS?!"  But all that came out was, "RELIGION????!!!!"  And my friend knew exactly what I was talking about.  A conversation like this, with single words communicating complete thoughts, uttered hysterically in between gasps for breath while laughing our asses of, went on for like an hour.  It was awesome.




lmao. Let's trip. Lucy, on me.
Btw I totally agree. Each time I did sid it was like this
pseudo-desire to be reflective was trying to force itself on me, and all I could think was "Get away from me you corny fuck"


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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: jellyfish]
    #14316442 - 04/19/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Psychedelics can only reveal to you what your subconscious knows. That's why they aren't going to reveal you the mystery's of the universe or anything for that matter. In the same way a dream can remind you of something you haven't put too much conscious thought into, a psychedelic can expose those feelings and ideas. To me, Terrance McKenna seems like someone who couldn't integrate their trips. If I have a dream that my grandma is all alone being attacked by aliens maybe I'd wake up and realize damn, I don't visit her often enough, she's all alone. McKenna would be like "jesus christ there's aliens".



Rofl
Again, totally agree with this. If anything, psychedelics do what most people are too lazy to do, or just are too distracted to do. That doesn't mean they should be used for this


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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: visionstream]
    #14317267 - 04/19/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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When is going overboard of psychedelics?




I'll let you know when I get there. :laugh2:

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Re: When is going overboard of psychedelics? [Re: visionstream]
    #19200293 - 11/28/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Each person creates their own reality and everyone reality differs from one another even if its only about 1 opinion on a small subject.
If these chemicals can show me that the human-culture and greed oriented perception is not the only one then I think there is more to learn. I don't think I will find all the answers either. The mind is as vast or more vast and just as in-understandable as the external universe. I see what your saying but I don't think that the typical human celebrity worshiping, money driven culture is what humans truly want. I think love is a powerful force and psychedelics offer a few things we can learn from, no?




I wouldn't say each person has their own "reality" per say, but that people have their individual perspectives of reality. These substances can really show you a different view, but at the same time, you have to be conscious to find what is right and what is not from these chemicals. They aren't enlightenment packed into a mushroom or a blotter, to my dismay. Your mind craves enlightenment and you can fulfill that without these substances just through getting to know yourself and meditation is one of the best ways to do so.


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