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InvisiblePrisoner#1
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When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®"
    #14158095 - 03/21/11 06:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

seems that in typical union fashion SEUI has overstepped it's bounds and once
again (like clockwork) resorted to extortion, terrorism tactics and
intimidation in order to dominate the workplace with it's own under skilled,
over payed labor force while attempting to eliminate healthy competition

lucky for the majority of America the Justice Department is bucking Obama's
protection of this union, maybe it's because they're afraid the right will
dump tea into the harbor

http://biggovernment.com/libertychick/2011/03/20/seiu-hit-with-rico-lawsuit-blames-hunton-williams-and-koch-brothers/

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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14158955 - 03/21/11 11:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

When all elese fails, "Blame the Unions"


He said she said.

Edited by Freedom (03/21/11 12:03 PM)

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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Freedom]
    #14158996 - 03/21/11 12:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Blame unions for what?  Raising everybody else's costs?  Well fucking duh, Ned, that's what they exist for.  They are money extraction organizations, clubs that exist to benefit their members to the detriment of everybody else.


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Freedom]
    #14161329 - 03/21/11 08:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Freedom said:
When all elese fails, "Blame the Unions"





you know the real beauty of unions, when cops beat an old woman to death they
get a paid vacation for an extended period and often put back to work after
the investigation is completed and there's "no evidence of wrong doing"

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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14162422 - 03/22/11 12:00 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Raising everybody else's costs?  Well fucking duh, Ned, that's what they exist for.  They are money extraction organizations, clubs that exist to benefit their members to the detriment of everybody else.




Sounds exactly like the government.

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you know the real beauty of unions, when cops beat an old woman to death they get a paid vacation for an extended period and often put back to work after the investigation is completed and there's "no evidence of wrong doing"




Tru dat. I think I'm going to start post your favorite police brutality story/video thread. I don't know if the one where two cops taze a 90 year old man with a cane in a bank, or the other where a cop in Chicago jumps over the bar and beats the living shit out of a female bartender, kicking her in the head. Of course getting away with it.

As for the no evidence of wrong doing I also enjoy when those in government make "honest mistakes" such as cheating on their taxes,and get away with it. All the while Wesley Snipes and that rectum rider from the Survivor series get sodomized in prison for the same offense. I believe only Wesley would consider this a punishment though.

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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14162992 - 03/22/11 03:05 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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When all elese fails, "Blame the Unions"





you know the real beauty of unions, when cops beat an old woman to death they
get a paid vacation for an extended period and often put back to work after
the investigation is completed and there's "no evidence of wrong doing"




For sure. The way police unions act has certainly caused me to lose respect for cops.

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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14169437 - 03/23/11 11:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Blame unions for what?  Raising everybody else's costs?  Well fucking duh, Ned, that's what they exist for.  They are money extraction organizations, clubs that exist to benefit their members to the detriment of everybody else.



How is that any different than a business?


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: learningtofly]
    #14169642 - 03/23/11 12:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Blame unions for what?  Raising everybody else's costs?  Well fucking duh, Ned, that's what they exist for.  They are money extraction organizations, clubs that exist to benefit their members to the detriment of everybody else.



How is that any different than a business?



I'm going to ask you the same question I asked earlier.  If all the companies in my industry got together to fix prices what would happen to us?


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14172808 - 03/23/11 09:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm going to ask you the same question I asked earlier.  If all the companies in my industry got together to fix prices what would happen to us?


Easy, you would call yourselves OPEC, you could stifle the global economy, you could have all those that you currently are fucking over by artificially manipulating prices actually fight your wars for you. We'll even borrow trillions of dollars that our great grandchildren will have to pay back to protect you.
Hell, you could even have the president come over to visit and bow down to you. What more could one ask for?

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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Therian]
    #14173101 - 03/23/11 10:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Actually most workers today experience many of the benefits that unions fought hard to attain.  The 40 hour work week, the weekend and holidays are all thanks to unions, but I suppose you hate all of those things...

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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14174254 - 03/24/11 05:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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learningtofly said:
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zappaisgod said:
Blame unions for what?  Raising everybody else's costs?  Well fucking duh, Ned, that's what they exist for.  They are money extraction organizations, clubs that exist to benefit their members to the detriment of everybody else.



How is that any different than a business?



I'm going to ask you the same question I asked earlier.  If all the companies in my industry got together to fix prices what would happen to us?




you'll sell each other out before it happens

thank god pluralistic, communist capitalists don't exist


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: JohnnyConverse]
    #14174280 - 03/24/11 05:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> you'll sell each other out before it happens

... like the airline industry
... like the recording industry

Price fixing is very profitable, just like unions are very profitable... pretty much for the same reason.  Odd how one is illegal while the other is not.


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Seuss]
    #14174768 - 03/24/11 09:18 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Johnny and Therian do you really not know the answer?  I'll whisper it.

We'd be arrested, convicted, imprisoned and fined into poverty.


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Seuss]
    #14176356 - 03/24/11 02:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You just listed two examples which have not been legally challenged. When was the last time price fixing in this context was prosecuted in the US? Further more a union is not the same context ofprice fixing as is criminalized. The equivalent of that would be a guild, if an electricians guild for instance met to fix prices to be in excess of $200/hour no-matter how rout the work this would be price fixing. Collective bargaining is not price fixing, particularly since the price is negotiated fairly between the employer and their representative body.


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14176548 - 03/24/11 03:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Price fixing schemes get busted all the time.  Any union with the power to shut down a company is engaged in price fixing thuggery, especially when other unions honor picket lines.


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14176782 - 03/24/11 04:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> You just listed two examples which have not been legally challenged.

What are you blathering about?  Legally challenged?

There was a huge settlement with the recording industry in 2002 over a $480 million price fixing scheme.  The airline price fixing scheme was more current, with 21 of the airlines being fined (after being found guilty) of price fixing earlier this month.  Four airline executives have already been sent to prison.

> Further more a union is not the same context ofprice fixing as is criminalized.

The only difference is what is being price fixed... goods versus labor.  Workers get together and saying "we aren't working unless you pay us XYZ" versus companies getting together and saying "we aren't selling unless you pay us XYZ".  They are the same thing.  Oh, the one other difference, union shills approve of price fixing for unions while nobody approves of price fixing for products.

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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14202677 - 03/29/11 08:23 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Blame unions for what?  Raising everybody else's costs salaries? 




Let us face facts.  In today's global economy it is no longer possible for our benevolent corporate overlords to rake in exorbitant profits while paying American workers middle class salaries.  Our long-term economic goals must account for this new reality.  Not only is it  inadvisable for today's corporations to have to pay taxes, but it is equally detrimental for them to pay their employees.

By allowing unions to bargain for livable wages and benefits for members in the public sector, unfair wage competition forces our gracious corporate overlords to pay livable wages to their employees.  In today's economy this can not stand.

I ask you liberals, how do you expect American corporations to compete in today's economy when foreign companies can pay their workers $2.00 a day?


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14203442 - 03/29/11 12:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Blame unions for what?  Raising everybody else's costs salaries? 







Don't edit my posts.  This isn't OTD.  Unions exist to fuck everybody not in a union.  Fact.  In my business union protectionism by the government results in lower wages for non-union workers.  Non-union companies can't even bid on many jobs thus limiting the number of available projects and also eliminating cost competition for any public works which vastly inflate costs to the taxpayer.  Unions are bad for everybody not in a union.
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Let us face facts.  In today's global economy it is no longer possible for our benevolent corporate overlords to rake in exorbitant profits while paying American workers middle class salaries.




Aside from the retarded corporate overlord bullshit, they sure can.  And because of our wonderful stock market system you too can participate and rake in huge bucks.
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  Our long-term economic goals must account for this new reality.  Not only is it  inadvisable for today's corporations to have to pay taxes, but it is equally detrimental for them to pay their employees.




Ford, GM and Chrysler agree.  Why should there be a corporate tax at all when the owners get taxed on the income from them?
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By allowing unions to bargain for livable wages and benefits for members in the public sector, unfair wage competition forces our gracious corporate overlords to pay livable wages to their employees.  In today's economy this can not stand.




What is a livable wage?  Over 100,000 for a cop on LI?
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I ask you liberals, how do you expect American corporations to compete in today's economy when foreign companies can pay their workers $2.00 a day?




They seem to do alright when they aren't being destroyed by taxes and grotesque union pay and benefits.


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14204489 - 03/29/11 03:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't edit my posts.  This isn't OTD.



Why don'cha come 'ere and stop me.


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Unions exist to fuck everybody not in a union.  Fact.





I completely agree.  It is a well-known fact that American workers have always been paid excellent wages.  The benevolent corporate overlords have always taken their social responsibilities very seriously.  It is for this reason alone that the middle class exists.  Unions were created as part of a secret communist plot authored by the Democratic party in order to take over the American government.


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Re: When all else fails, "Blame the Koch Brothers®" [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14205079 - 03/29/11 06:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't edit my posts.  This isn't OTD.



Why don'cha come 'ere and stop me.




You wouldn't like it.  Might wreck all to hell your tough guy self image and nobody likes a man in tears.  It's creepy.
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Unions exist to fuck everybody not in a union.  Fact.





I completely agree.  It is a well-known fact that American workers have always been paid excellent wages.  The benevolent corporate overlords have always taken their social responsibilities very seriously.  It is for this reason alone that the middle class exists.  Unions were created as part of a secret communist plot authored by the Democratic party in order to take over the American government.



Why should easily replaceable ciphers be paid excellent wages?  At the expense of everybody else?  I don't have a corporate overlord.  Why do you?  Sack lack?


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