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Pins forming on underside.
    #14157975 - 03/21/11 05:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My cakes have been in the FC for about 10 days, I haven't noticed much if anything, so I decided to flip them over and see if anythings going on underneath. Every cake had a ton of pins forming on the underside, but nowhere else. So, the dilemma is, do I flip them? Even though they've been like this for about 10 days? I should also mention that they weren't aborting yet or anything, no blackheads. Also, and I read up on this but now it's eating at me, when I originally put the cakes in the FC should they have stayed oriented as they were during colonization? Because I flipped them! So the original tops are now the underside!

Did I just kill my cakes? Should I flip them?


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: bystarlight]
    #14158009 - 03/21/11 05:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

flipping the cake from the position it col in is good. but once you put it in the FC, it's best to leave in in the same position. even if it pins from the bottom. its common, and the pins will  find their way out just fine.
so if you havent re-flipped them yet, its best to just leave them alone. if you already re-flipped them then just leave them like that.


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: awakendone]
    #14158026 - 03/21/11 05:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So it's normal for pins to form on the bottom, but nowhere else? Sorry, I'm a novice man, and I appreciate any help! Thanks!


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: awakendone]
    #14158044 - 03/21/11 05:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Pins will primarily form where the conditions are best. It doesn't really matter which way you flip the cake as long as the conditions are right. The cake needs to be well saturated with moisture and the ambient humidity needs to be sufficiently high.
Did you dunk and roll (and dip the top of your cake in verm as well)? Maybe you should try spraying your cakes a bit more often, too. Or if you are already spraying them a lot it could be that you are getting the surface too wet, which would also result in a bad pinset. You need to make sure that the microclimate on the top and the sides is at least as favorable to the formation of pins as the bottom is.
Gravity makes the moisture in the cake sink to and accumulate at the bottom, so yes, you could flip it now and will probably get better resultas for this flush than if you left it like it is with all the pins in the bottom, because if the organism wastes all its energy on producing pins in the bottom you are going to see poor results on the rest of the cake.
Don't forget to dunk again before the next flush.


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: bystarlight]
    #14158073 - 03/21/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Either way, flip or no flip, I am sure they will turn out and head for the light. What is your RH sitting at? Its possible the pinning is taking place underneath the cake because that is where the ideal conditions currently are. Are you using perlite? What are your cakes sitting on? Is the light directed downward on your FC? What is your set up?

Check your RH, FAE, light, and Temps and let them ride out. If you want to flip them, do it. Either way, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Just for shits a giggles, I would turn them sideways, lol.  :goodluck:


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: Stropharis]
    #14158089 - 03/21/11 06:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

As the TC post while I am writing and says everything I could possibly say just so much better, lol. Whats up GK, you get my PM?


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14158091 - 03/21/11 06:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yep, did the dunk and roll, and dipped the heads in sterilized vermiculite. The mycelium has taken over the rolled/dipped vermiculite, so I would assume it's not really doing it's job - not really sure if this is normal or not. I was considering adding another spoon-full to the heads of all the cakes, as I've read this is a somewhat common practice.

Maybe I'll flip a couple of them with the most pins on the bottom, and see where they go. If they fruit great, if not, I'll chalk it up to the learning process.

My FC setup is a PMP. Humidity has been maintained at 99%+, and the temp fluctuates around 74-76. Despite using a PMP FC, I've been misting, and fanning about 3-5 times daily the last few days since I haven't seen any noticeable results.

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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: Stropharis]
    #14158099 - 03/21/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Either way, flip or no flip, I am sure they will turn out and head for the light. What is your RH sitting at? Its possible the pinning is taking place underneath the cake because that is where the ideal conditions currently are. Are you using perlite? What are your cakes sitting on? Is the light directed downward on your FC? What is your set up?

Check your RH, FAE, light, and Temps and let them ride out. If you want to flip them, do it. Either way, I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Just for shits a giggles, I would turn them sideways, lol.  :goodluck:




Considering the conditions, it made me think, what if someone were to string line these things? Just push a kabob-stick through them, and let them levitate. Wonder what that would do ... lol.

I'm using PMP/geolite/foil. Humidity 99%+, temp is 74-76. Strain is Costa Rica.

I'm going to flip a couple of them just to see what happens, if they start to fruit, then I'll flip the others!


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: bystarlight]
    #14158142 - 03/21/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You know what I bet it would do? Fruit! Cubes are pretty resilient. Its sounds like a fun experiment! String a couple of cakes up and tie the ends off at the far ends of the chamber.


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: Stropharis]
    #14158188 - 03/21/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes! That, or just use a kabob stick, and levitate them above the geolite. Rotate them every mist, so all sides get the same treatment.


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: bystarlight]
    #14158192 - 03/21/11 07:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know about constantly rotating them. Nice experiment, maybe. But not exactly natural conditions.


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Re: Pins forming on underside. [Re: bystarlight]
    #14158202 - 03/21/11 07:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, just a novice here so I'm just spewing :smile:


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