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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14154616 - 03/20/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.xianet.net/2011/03/war-in-libya-gaddafi-arming-civilians-more-than-1-million-libyans-are-going-to-receive-weapons-in-the-next-few-hours/

the us goverment sold guns to all the afganis and iraqis through rednecks and merchants with out having to tkae credibillity

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Konyap]
    #14154623 - 03/20/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: amilibertine]
    #14154640 - 03/20/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Kada said:
Indeed!

The bottom line is we saved peoples lives that just want a better future. That asshole won't leave office and was grooming his son to take over power. He is doing anything he can to keep his grip on power even if he has to kill everyone. This is he type if guy that knows what he is doing and playing the victim to justify murdering people who just want their laws followed and Reform to take place to give them better Free lives. They are doing their best To get this accomplished and he just wants to kill them and stop any change that will take away his Power and end his horrible reign. If he cared About the people he would step down And make way for change to better their nation.




This just shows how little you know about Libya and Gaddafi.  Sure he is a dictator, but as far as dictators go he built his country into the "jewel of Africa" and the only country besides South Africa that's even approaching a first world industrial nation.  Not only that but the same people bombing him right now (USA, France, and UK) just a couple years ago were saying "he's not that bad, he's a lot better now".  He's built the infrastructure up, built schools, hospitals, skyscrapers. 

I'm not saying he's a good dude or anything.

In the last 40 years Gaddafi has sold hundreds of billions of dollars of oil.  Big oil doesn't profit from this.  You can bet after this invasion they will though.

Also, according to who you believe, last week British mercs were arrested leading certain so-called "rebels".  In this case the rebels are backed by western banking interests.  Since they failed to take control of the country now we are leading them a hand.  These "rebels" are not fighting for the freedom of Libyans.  They will be just like every other leader that we've put into place in any country, they are there to take orders, and they are almost always worse than the people they replace.

These ideas of freedom for Libyans is non-sense, that's not what this is about.




:werd:

You should know by now when the US gets involved in a situation like this its only there for resources and their almost always funding both sides.

Edited by Bodhi of Ankou (03/20/11 04:15 PM)

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Konyap]
    #14154646 - 03/20/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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the us goverment sold guns to all the afganis and iraqis through rednecks and merchants with out having to tkae credibillity





this is nothing new

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14154678 - 03/20/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No matter what side I take on this horrible shit is going down to people and it sucks. I wish we really had leadership that was for the greater good. I keep trying to find something decent wrestling but damn it if u guys make more sense than what I want to hear. I'm not perfect by far but I really wish shit didn't always come back to us being instgators with altering motives. Eh what can you do? nothing but sit back and watch shit unfold. Aggravating and disappointing. If we were really the good guys fighting evil I would re-sign up and gear up.


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
    #14154689 - 03/20/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

at the end of the day its the lesser of two evils and shit has been goin on there for a little while now because of goofdafi

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
    #14154703 - 03/20/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I wish we really had leadership that was for the greater good.




there is no greater good

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14154770 - 03/20/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've seen people act for the greater good. Don't tell me that there aren't people out there that follow the greater good and do their best to stop violence and just want to help people without something in it for them. Sure it's rare but it's there.


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14154866 - 03/20/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I guess I shouldn't be surprised but Obama is acting just like all the other presidents. It's pathetic. What an asshole!



Obama has been about the most reserved out of all the leaders in this coalition.  It's really David Cameron and Nicholas Sarkozy that are really thirsting for blood here.

I'm actually not sure how I feel about this.  Qaddafi definitely needs to go, but I'm uneasy with the prospect of us getting militarily involved in yet another Middle East conflict.  The fact that it was a UN Resolution that was voted on unanimously makes it a little more legit in my eyes, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Silversoul]
    #14154872 - 03/20/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think thirsting for oil would be more appropriate.

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14154882 - 03/20/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think thirsting for oil would be more appropriate.



Yeah, I can't help but wonder if this might be a different story if Libya didn't have any oil.


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Silversoul]
    #14154888 - 03/20/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Christ, I'm watching the BBC now. You should see the spin they're putting on this shit.

It wouldn't surprise me to see a ground invasion.

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14154939 - 03/20/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There completely playing this off as Gaddafi being satan incarnate and the UN being the saviour of the people :facepalm:



I wonder whats really going in in there.

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14157496 - 03/21/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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From a legalistic perspective, yes. From an ethical perspective, no; I am only a citizen of the world.


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well, that says it all.

see, pris you really aren't gonna change his mind, i think he'd practically agree with you, that morally, gadafi is wrong.

right, Peace?




I've never defended Gadhafi from a moral standpoint, just I have have not any American leader.



If you wanna talk about morality, how about trying to change red, orange, & even yellow countries. At present we make money off of exports (& in turn provide the dollars to keep in power the government) of many of these countries, including some of the red ones.

Too many Americans have no ethical perspective, & can't realize (what is easily apparent to most of the rest of the world) the delusional propaganda about American benevolence with regards to reality, one critical facet of which this image reveals.





yes, it's no big deal for us to go to a major war and spend hundreds of billions of dollars killing people in those countries, but why try and help turn the countries into first class economies. of course according to 'sources' we spend millions of dollars every year trying to help these countries. i don't know if anyone ever SEES the 'help'


i guess africa still is, and probably will be for a long time, the poorest country in the world. guess that hasn't changed much in the last few hundred years. only thing worst than african history, is american indian history :shrug:


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14157507 - 03/21/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This is a crucial moment in history. Instead of the US directly taking action, the entire world took action. Hopefully, in the future this will continue and a World Wide Effort will always be involved for World Problems.

About time.

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14157508 - 03/21/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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They vowed to murder people. We stopped them from killing god knows how many people by taking out their capabilities do do so and you guys are mad that we got involved? Seriously? Obama didnt start shit, he is the face of the people deciding this. The scapegoat. I don't like him but he isn't at fault for starting this. If he was then good it needed to be done.





bush didnt start shit either yet he's called a war criminal by many liberals
and most hippies, bush was just a scape goat, we were helping people, saving
no telling how many thousands of lives... by killing people


convoluted logic, FTW






well with any luck we can capture and hang Gaddafi in a few years same as we did with saddam hussein, and then we can talk about how 'obama had nothing to do with it' same as bush had nothing do with saddam hussein being there. these people are just kind of scape goats you know? they didn't do much :shrug:


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: iluvfungi]
    #14157524 - 03/21/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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This is a crucial moment in history. Instead of the US directly taking action, the entire world took action. Hopefully, in the future this will continue and a World Wide Effort will always be involved for World Problems.

About time.





do you...


honestly just say the exact opposite of what everyone says? it seems to me that so many people think you have just naturally opposing opinions, but i could almost swear you just pop in and say the opposite no matter what.


how does the world taking action help anything? is 'the world' going to stick through it and make sure the country cleans up after we bomb the shit out of them? have we learned nothing? maybe 'the world' should stay out of everyone else's business for a little while, and not get involved in EVERY SINGLE war just for the fuck of it


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: imachavel]
    #14157529 - 03/21/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Edited by Prisoner#1 (03/21/11 02:01 AM)

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14157530 - 03/21/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There completely playing this off as Gaddafi being satan incarnate and the UN being the saviour of the people :facepalm:



I wonder whats really going in in there.




watch it turn into afghanistan all over again in no time. i just hope we don't stick our necks in this like in every other war. we'll be hanging Gadhafi in no time. and just like with Saddam Hussein, it'll be not our fault, we just captured him so you could hang his ass


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Konyap]
    #14157532 - 03/21/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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its not jus for the fuck of it they have oil

shit head





oh EXCUSE ME


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