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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #14145660 - 03/18/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Either do the time, or leave the country.

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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14152918 - 03/20/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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go to mexico (where everything can be bought for the right price), get fake papers, cash, get a plane ticket and go somewhere where there's no extradition




This is literally exactly what I was going to type, to some extent word for word.

Geographically you may be better off going to canada and then getting a plane or boat ticket to cuba, or if you're in the southeast, taking a boat trip to cuba and doing the same thing there as you would in Mexico.

Unless you're trying to evade something very minor, you *will* be caught if you stay in the U.S  I highly recommend against trying to "fly under the radar" and if you do, I'd say stay in a big city, like a HUGE city, and move frequently.

Really though, it's difficult to live life without peace of mind and you won't find that if you're running away.  Living in another country is more like "already ran away" and there is much more peacefulness.


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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: vandago]
    #14152963 - 03/20/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you go to another country make sure they don't do any finger prints to get in or out of the country.  If you think american jails are bad.....well you know it could be worse.





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I hate that phrase.  America has some of the worst jails in the world.  The INSTITUTION might look sparkly with that brand new barbed wire, but the social situations, the eating, and living conditions, the violence, the rape that happens in American prisons is unheard of across the world.

All over the world if you go to prison you're a fucking "prisoner" and everyone else is a "prisoner" and for the most part you're all cool with each other.  Yeah there are gangs and yeah motherfuckers get shanked and people have sex with each other but over here it's a free for all.  No country in the world has a prison system that is as fucked up and dangerous as the American prison system. 

I'll say it again: in some prisons in the U.S. anyone who isn't affiliated with a gang is viewed as an automatic target and will be IMMEDIATELY provoked, tested, and then treated accordingly by either being recruited, monetized (selling heroin for a gang, buying heroin from a gang to use, or being made into a sexual slave), or killed if the individual isn't game but won't back down either.  This doesn't happen in other places to such an extent.


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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Humility]
    #14153267 - 03/20/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you go to another country make sure they don't do any finger prints to get in or out of the country.  If you think american jails are bad.....well you know it could be worse.





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I hate that phrase.  America has some of the worst jails in the world.  The INSTITUTION might look sparkly with that brand new barbed wire, but the social situations, the eating, and living conditions, the violence, the rape that happens in American prisons is unheard of across the world.

All over the world if you go to prison you're a fucking "prisoner" and everyone else is a "prisoner" and for the most part you're all cool with each other.  Yeah there are gangs and yeah motherfuckers get shanked and people have sex with each other but over here it's a free for all.  No country in the world has a prison system that is as fucked up and dangerous as the American prison system. 

I'll say it again: in some prisons in the U.S. anyone who isn't affiliated with a gang is viewed as an automatic target and will be IMMEDIATELY provoked, tested, and then treated accordingly by either being recruited, monetized (selling heroin for a gang, buying heroin from a gang to use, or being made into a sexual slave), or killed if the individual isn't game but won't back down either.  This doesn't happen in other places to such an extent.



Really? I'm sure if you offered this treatment plan to anyone in a 3rd world country prison, they'd gladly accept, that is if they weren't executed for crime they did.


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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: unknown1123]
    #14153402 - 03/20/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know why you think "3rd world" prisons are so bad.  They are as bad as the rest of the third world is proportionately. 

In the 3rd world life sucks for a lot of people.  There are few resources, the resources that are available don't go to building and maintaining prisons.  That said, the social conditions of the region usually are reflected in prison.  People don't rape each other or murder each other left and right.  You go to prison, try to not get beat up by the guards, do your time, and leave.

U.S. society and life, as fucked up as it is, is not proportionate to U.S. prison society and life.  Prison in the U.S. is like entering another country.  Some horribly fucked up land.


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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Humility]
    #14153410 - 03/20/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know why you think "3rd world" prisons are so bad.  They are as bad as the rest of the third world is proportionately. 

In the 3rd world life sucks for a lot of people.  There are few resources, the resources that are available don't go to building and maintaining prisons.  That said, the social conditions of the region usually are reflected in prison.  People don't rape each other or murder each other left and right.  You go to prison, try to not get beat up by the guards, do your time, and leave.

U.S. society and life, as fucked up as it is, is not proportionate to U.S. prison society and life.  Prison in the U.S. is like entering another country.  Some horribly fucked up land.



Yeah, I've never gone nor intend to go to prison in any country, so I can't argue with that.


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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: unknown1123]
    #14154900 - 03/20/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't know why you think "3rd world" prisons are so bad.  They are as bad as the rest of the third world is proportionately. 

In the 3rd world life sucks for a lot of people.  There are few resources, the resources that are available don't go to building and maintaining prisons.  That said, the social conditions of the region usually are reflected in prison.  People don't rape each other or murder each other left and right.  You go to prison, try to not get beat up by the guards, do your time, and leave.

U.S. society and life, as fucked up as it is, is not proportionate to U.S. prison society and life.  Prison in the U.S. is like entering another country.  Some horribly fucked up land.



Yeah, I've never gone nor intend to go to prison in any country, so I can't argue with that.






I'd like to know if humility has gone to prison in another country or if it's just hearsay or him reading info online.

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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Humility]
    #14156810 - 03/20/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

guy you have know idea about third world prisons. Watch some locked up abroad. In south america there are prisons where they are run by the inmate gangs and people have firearms and hand grenades in them. There are wars inside the prison and people are getting killed left and right.

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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #14160994 - 03/21/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ya I'd love to see someone in a prison with no rights, no lawyer, and can't even speak the language everyone else speaks try and say american prisons are the worst in the world.  That's just not true.

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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: vandago]
    #14163467 - 03/22/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Ya I'd love to see someone in a prison with no rights, no lawyer, and can't even speak the language everyone else speaks try and say american prisons are the worst in the world.  That's just not true.




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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Humility]
    #14163598 - 03/22/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So have you spent time in a US prison, and in a third world prison?  I'm curious where you are getting your biased info.

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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: vandago]
    #14163617 - 03/22/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

> So have you spent time in a US prison, and in a third world prison?

One doesn't really have to spend time in various prisons to know how bad they are.  There are various metrics that are available, such as number of inmate deaths, inmate density, etc.  There are some really bad prisons in the US, but nothing like the really bad prisons in some other countries.  Google is your friend... check out any of the following:

Tadmor Military Prison, Syria
Carandiru Penitentiary, Brazil
La Sabeneta Prison, Venezuela
Diyarbakir Prison, Turkey
Mendoza Prison, Argentina
Nairobi Prison, Kenya
Bang Kwang Prison, Taiwan

Also bad...

San Quentin State Prison, California
Rikers, New York
La Sante Prison, France
ADX Florence Supermax Facility, Colorado


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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Humility]
    #14163762 - 03/22/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Ya I'd love to see someone in a prison with no rights, no lawyer, and can't even speak the language everyone else speaks try and say american prisons are the worst in the world.  That's just not true.




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@Humility your ignorance is clearly shown in this thread.


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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Seuss]
    #14163925 - 03/22/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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> So have you spent time in a US prison, and in a third world prison?

One doesn't really have to spend time in various prisons to know how bad they are.  There are various metrics that are available, such as number of inmate deaths, inmate density, etc.  There are some really bad prisons in the US, but nothing like the really bad prisons in some other countries.  Google is your friend... check out any of the following:

Tadmor Military Prison, Syria
Carandiru Penitentiary, Brazil
La Sabeneta Prison, Venezuela
Diyarbakir Prison, Turkey
Mendoza Prison, Argentina
Nairobi Prison, Kenya
Bang Kwang Prison, Taiwan

Also bad...

San Quentin State Prison, California
Rikers, New York
La Sante Prison, France
ADX Florence Supermax Facility, Colorado








Going by numbers is one thing, but humility just seemed like he speaks from experience with how stand strong he was on his opinion.  I only questioned his statement like that because he seems to have no clue about prisons in general from what I gathered.  Every prison in the US is different, and it depends on what your convicted of as to where you go.  Saying they are like another country is just obvious, you are being stripped of everything you once knew and being taught from the cement up how to live again.  At least in the US you can do things like have visitors, write to people, have a lawyer, get meals ( even if you have to fight for it sometimes ) some countries could probably care less if you eat when locked up.  I'm sure some prisons in the US really really suck, I couldn't imagine being out in an LA prison for a racial crime, or a texas prison for being a pedophile, but surely there are way worse prison then this country.

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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: vandago]
    #14164351 - 03/22/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Some canadian prison are good, others are shit.

I was in a youth prison in thunderbay, and it was nice. It was smaller, was under capacity, so almost everyone got their own cell, new sheets everyday, food better than hospital food, sometimes bordering diner good, new clothes everyday. got to go outside everyday. had blankets. tons of checks though. was considered a higher security jail. and had lots of natives.

then got transferred to a prison in hamilton. shit food, always left hungry, the cell had no cold water, only hot. the toilet was busted and full of shit. just a mattress and a sheet, no pillow or blanket, and it was winter, and some dumbshit punched holes in the window with a toothbrush. never got a change of clothes for the few weeks i was there. didnt get to shower.

kind of glad i got transferred to the shit hole. it really showed me how i never want to go back.

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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14165463 - 03/22/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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go to mexico (where everything can be bought for the right price), get fake papers, cash, get a plane ticket and go somewhere where there's no extradition



Try Juarez, especially if your white.  Just buy some cervazes and you'll meet people that will help you.:sun:

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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Humility]
    #14165668 - 03/22/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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U.S. society and life, as fucked up as it is, is not proportionate to U.S. prison society and life.  Prison in the U.S. is like entering another country.  Some horribly fucked up land.




I understand your view (but also the other side).

I have most empathy with your view, however. I feel like I have been traumatized, long term,  by being locked up-- and it's only happened to me a couple times, for very short periods.

This may be the most naive thing I've posted here-- but I feel like I want to do something to change this. Can anything be done?

I've considered raising awareness toward the issue, but they practically already romanticize the shit on the "educational" channels on our United States Cable System.

What can be done? Anything?

The prison industrial complex is another big piece of this machine that has become unwieldy and infected.


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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: Seuss]
    #14166787 - 03/22/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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> So have you spent time in a US prison, and in a third world prison?

One doesn't really have to spend time in various prisons to know how bad they are.  There are various metrics that are available, such as number of inmate deaths, inmate density, etc.  There are some really bad prisons in the US, but nothing like the really bad prisons in some other countries.  Google is your friend... check out any of the following:

Tadmor Military Prison, Syria
Carandiru Penitentiary, Brazil
La Sabeneta Prison, Venezuela
Diyarbakir Prison, Turkey
Mendoza Prison, Argentina
Nairobi Prison, Kenya
Bang Kwang Prison, Taiwan

Also bad...

San Quentin State Prison, California
Rikers, New York
La Sante Prison, France
ADX Florence Supermax Facility, Colorado





I'm not posting in this thread anymore because it's becoming annoying.

You listed a bunch of 2nd and 3rd world regions and then proceeded to mention that the prisons are "substandard".  No shit.

My point here is that the U.S. is a FILTHY RICH nation and NONE of that capital is spent on ANYTHING that has ANYTHING to do with prison except for making it more secure (in terms of preventing escape) and housing more people.  Prison is a cash-flow environment here in the U.S.  Everything is money. 

Take a look at SQ, take a look at Rikers.  They look like fucking fortresses.  Hundreds of millions of dollars have gone into building, upgrading and staffing, these institutions.

The prisons you named are not only in shithole countries but in shithole regions of the countries (excluding prolly Taiwan).  Take a look at Diyarbakir or Carandiru or for God's sake Nairobi Prison.  These places are decrepit and haven't seen maintenance in decades.  The facilities look like shit, the "living conditions" are also not amenable but the "prison culture" that exists here in the U.S. doesn't exist there.


I'm not arguing about "prison conditions".  What I'm arguing about is that all over the world prison is like the country you live in.  People don't just rape people in the ass on the streets such that the entire community knows about it while policemen turn a blind eye to it.  It doesn't happen in south central LA and it doesn't happen in Brooklyn.

But it does happen in SQ, every single day; and it does happen in Rikers, every single day.  Systemitized violence, rape, murder, and corruption are and have been a part of the American "justice" system for at least the last hundred years.

What I am SAYING is that these patterns of behaviors CANNOT be observed in other countries.

You want evidence?  I really just don't care enough to help you out with that. I've spoken with a number of people who've been incarcerated in different places over the years and it quickly became apparent that in other countries if you don't want to game you don't have to.  You go to prison, you sit the fuck down and do your time (whether the conditions are terrible or not) and then when they say you can, you leave. 

In many American prisons you don't have a choice.  You either game, which means you affiliate yourself with an organization of individuals who use violence regularly; which could lead to being ordered to kill or rape people or sell or smuggle drugs (which can get you additional time, easily extra years); or you choose "not to game" and get viewed as a commodity.  How can we make money off of you?  Can we sell you dope that you'll use?  Are you a bitch/can we intimidate you into becoming a sexual slave that we can make money off of?  Are you not a bitch?  Okay, we'll have one of our green boys kill you to get some XP and send a message etc. etc. etc.


Do you have any idea of how many people enter American prison HIV/AIDS free and leave prison with full-blown AIDS each year?  Not from consensual sex either.  Thousands is your answer.



America has the highest GDP in the world.  Surveillance and human COs are omnipresent in prison and yet we have the worst prisoner abuse record in the world, second only to nations like China where you can get locked up and murdered for practicing Qigong and MAYBE nations like Russia where the conditions are really bad (guards beat prisons such that they break bones OFTEN).

But one more time for the record: these are abuses being perpetrated by the COs/staff on the inmates.  Show me, PLEASE present me even a couple of examples of "rampant prisoner on prisoner abuse" that happens in any other country, I'd love to see it.


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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: unknown1123]
    #14166801 - 03/22/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Ya I'd love to see someone in a prison with no rights, no lawyer, and can't even speak the language everyone else speaks try and say american prisons are the worst in the world.  That's just not true.




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@Humility your ignorance is clearly shown in this thread.





Says the guy whose above quote is "I've never been to prison in the U.S. or abroad and never see myself in one (lol who does?)"

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Re: How to run from the cops and get away with it? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #14167651 - 03/22/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Humility said:
U.S. society and life, as fucked up as it is, is not proportionate to U.S. prison society and life.  Prison in the U.S. is like entering another country.  Some horribly fucked up land.




I understand your view (but also the other side).

I have most empathy with your view, however. I feel like I have been traumatized, long term,  by being locked up-- and it's only happened to me a couple times, for very short periods.

This may be the most naive thing I've posted here-- but I feel like I want to do something to change this. Can anything be done?

I've considered raising awareness toward the issue, but they practically already romanticize the shit on the "educational" channels on our United States Cable System.

What can be done? Anything?

The prison industrial complex is another big piece of this machine that has become unwieldy and infected.




Cidney, this is a sad moment in time because we have reached the point where privatized prisons are being publicly traded on the stock market.  Look up GEO, CRN just to name a few.  More prisoners in prison = higher stock earnings.  You have to tackle that problem before you can even begin to think about dismantling the machine.  I wish we as regular citizens had more power.


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