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McDude
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Taesian]
#14095925 - 03/10/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Taesian said: So if using fine verm in bulk, your supposed to use only one qt? I'm sure it doesn't make that big of difference though? Or does it? Compared to adding 2/3 qts?
If it's working stick with it??? I don't know...we have conflicting opinions here based on? Personal preference and basic observation? I know RR knows his shit and we have seen his work. Prof Pinhead also excells in what he is doing...I guess we need some grows done with fine and coarse under the same conditions..substrate/genetics/lighting/fae all that shit if we really want to prove it makes a dif either way?
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
#14143117 - 03/18/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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McDude said:
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Taesian said: So if using fine verm in bulk, your supposed to use only one qt? I'm sure it doesn't make that big of difference though? Or does it? Compared to adding 2/3 qts?
If it's working stick with it??? I don't know...we have conflicting opinions here based on? Personal preference and basic observation? I know RR knows his shit and we have seen his work. Prof Pinhead also excells in what he is doing...I guess we need some grows done with fine and coarse under the same conditions..substrate/genetics/lighting/fae all that shit if we really want to prove it makes a dif either way?
I think we can all agree that the differences are minor.
Coarse grade vermiculite definitely helps more than fine grade to loosen up the texture of both casings and substrates, but as I said, the difference is minor.
Guess we're not talking about grain anymore. 
I was just gonna mention that I recently made up some jars with wheat, and it was fucking fantastic! I had used Hard Red Winter Wheat before and thought it worked every bit as good as rye, but couldn't find it anywhere but Whole Foods. So, I picked up some "Red Whole Wheat" from the feed store recently that I've been getting my milo from to try it out, as I didn't know if it would work the same. The color is DEFINITELY different - very tan colored, almost yellow.
Came out of the PC just like the rye berries in RR's video!  In fact, I don't personally see a benefit to using rye over wheat. Maybe I will after growing for a few decades? 
Rye isn't available immediately in my area, and now that I found this wonderful grain, I don't see a point in driving an hour or so out to the sticks in my state to get rye berries and an unnoticeable improvement in ease of use. 
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: faceyneck]
#14143166 - 03/18/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is something to be said for using what is available in your area. I don't see any reason to drive all over the valley or the state looking for a specific grain or some other supply.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: fbi365]
#14144424 - 03/18/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm also in a no-rye situation. Ended up ordering online a 25lb bag of organic rye berries for a little under $20, plus shipping came up to about $1/lb.
Last week I found FOUR 40lb buckets of untouched, organic wheat berries stashed away in an forgotten cobwebby corner of my house. Hooray for hoarders!
After reading this thread I am all the more excited to start using the wheat! One bucket's hard red, one soft white, one hard white (I think) and one mixed grains.
To anyone who's worked with both rye and wheat, my question is:
Would it be harder to achieve the right moisture content if I mixed say half-n-half rye/wheat in a single batch of spawn? Or should I just do all-rye and all-wheat jars to make things easier on my inexperienced self?
Do soft wheat, hard wheat, and rye absorb moisture very differently?
Stamet's GGMM lists wheat as lacking in the trace elements that rye has. (calcium, phosphorous and potassium) He lists hard wheat as comparable with rye in nitrogen content. Soft wheat has less nitrogen than both.
Guess I won't know if this matters till I try them both out, but faceyneck's great results make me more hopeful bout wheat.
I'm sorry if this counts as a thread jack, picking up proper forum etiquette as I go along...
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: SKrink]
#14148650 - 03/19/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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SKrink said: I'm also in a no-rye situation. Ended up ordering online a 25lb bag of organic rye berries for a little under $20, plus shipping came up to about $1/lb.
Last week I found FOUR 40lb buckets of untouched, organic wheat berries stashed away in an forgotten cobwebby corner of my house. Hooray for hoarders!
After reading this thread I am all the more excited to start using the wheat! One bucket's hard red, one soft white, one hard white (I think) and one mixed grains.
To anyone who's worked with both rye and wheat, my question is:
Would it be harder to achieve the right moisture content if I mixed say half-n-half rye/wheat in a single batch of spawn? Or should I just do all-rye and all-wheat jars to make things easier on my inexperienced self?
Do soft wheat, hard wheat, and rye absorb moisture very differently?
Stamet's GGMM lists wheat as lacking in the trace elements that rye has. (calcium, phosphorous and potassium) He lists hard wheat as comparable with rye in nitrogen content. Soft wheat has less nitrogen than both.
Guess I won't know if this matters till I try them both out, but faceyneck's great results make me more hopeful bout wheat.
I'm sorry if this counts as a thread jack, picking up proper forum etiquette as I go along...
I wouldn't call this a thread-jacking, no. Quite on topic. 
I don't know anything about soft wheat. The "Red Whole Wheat" I just started using most likely is a "hard" variety. You'll just need to make up a jar or two of each and try them out.
Don't mix them up. Do them all separate. I prepare all my grains the same way, and that's exactly how RR does it in his videos, and how he's described it on here thousands of times. 
24-hour soak to hydrate; (...no it's NOT to germinate endospores. That shit is inaccurate and out-dated information, in case you didn't know.) put on stove to heat on high for 20 minutes, or just until boiling; dry off; load into jars after completely dry, but hydrated; sterilize for 90 minutes at roughly 15psi.
I dry off my grains by getting them super hot and steamy, then strain as you can see here:

...then I pour all the grain out onto a large piece of window screen, laid out atop a few sheets and towels, with a large box fan propped downward facing to dry off the grains:

I lay out the grains more or less level, then go chill out for about 1/2 hour. When I come back, I mix up the grains with a spoon and check to see if they're dry. If they are, I load them up. If not, I give it another 1/2 hour. I like this system because it can dry off enough grains for about 30-40 jars at once, and it requires very little work.
This works for any grains you might use.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: faceyneck]
#14148997 - 03/19/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info facey!
Man I always loved the endospore theory... too bad it's been disproved? Seemed so awesome to trick endospores into germinating, then blasting them all into oblivion with a PC... like a guerilla ambush. Oh well.
Anyway I'll have to try out that box fan drying idea. Right now I have about 30 gallons of expanded coir that's all damp and needs dried out before I store it away. Drying in the sun not an option here.
It got wet in a storm and so was deemed "unacceptable" by stores... but otherwise its perfectly perfect.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: SKrink]
#14154673 - 03/20/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Soaking WILL germinate endospores, for sure.
...but the freshly germinated bacterium will start producing MORE endospores within an hour of soaking the grain. The longer the grain is soaked, the more endospores will be germinated. That's what I've been told, anyway.
A 24-hour soak will hydrate grains to a virtually perfect moisture content. If one were to try and boil water into the grain, they would expand too fast, and many more would burst.
Smaller grains like milo and millet will burst like a mutha regardless, though. Even so, a 24-hour soak is the best and most ideal way to hit perfect moisture content.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: faceyneck]
#14155420 - 03/20/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I to am having a hard time finding "rye grain" is wheat berries the same thing? hard weat kernels/wheat berries? what other names does rye grain have?
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
#14155507 - 03/20/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Rye Berries This is the best price I've found so far. Gonna give it a try eventually.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
#14155688 - 03/20/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
#14155779 - 03/20/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looks like it would be ok...scroll a few posts up and read what facey wrote. Said the grain he is using is most likely a hard wheat...talks some about prep.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
#14155789 - 03/20/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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thanks mcdude
Edited by realcarlos (03/20/11 09:32 PM)
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
#14155857 - 03/20/11 08:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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who's mic?
or am I just high 
well, I'm definitely high but who the heck is mic?
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Lol Mc=Mic...was my assumption .
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They call it "Seed Rye" [Re: McDude]
#14155934 - 03/20/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you have a local feed store like Southern States nearby? I have had great results with many varieties of shroom using rye berries from them. I remember when I first contacted them to find it and asked them for rye berries, they had no idea what I was talking about. It turns out they call it "seed rye" and it is really good stuff. I have contacted their corporate office and talked to a few different people that assured me that the seed rye they sell is untainted. They said everything they sell that contains fungicide is colored purple to make sure folks know it. I have been using it for years. I hope this helps.
ETA: BTW, what I am using is not rye grass seed.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
#14156029 - 03/20/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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McDude said: Lol Mc=Mic...was my assumption .
Yea, I'm just keepin' sharp and bein' a wize ass at the same time
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
#14156050 - 03/20/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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realcarlos said: I to am having a hard time finding "rye grain" is wheat berries the same thing? hard weat kernels/wheat berries? what other names does rye grain have?
you might see rye sold as whole rye, rye berries, or just rye. not to be confused with rye grass seed.
it's not the same as wheat berries, but they are similar.
almost any cereal grain will work, but some are considered better fit for our purposes.
you can also use wild bird seed (WBS) if you have that around you.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Primal Call]
#14156071 - 03/20/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wheat berries = Rye berries.
They are basically the same, so much so you can barely tell the difference between the two if you hold them up next to each other fully colonized.
I remember being really paranoid when I first started growing and not wanting to get wheat berries because I though they wouldn't work.
I was so diligent about following RR's tek to the T.
3 years later I ran out of rye one day and ran to get some more. At the store all the had was wheat berries and I said fuck it.
I then learned ....... Rye berries = Wheat berries.
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I'll admit that they may be sold as the same thing under either name, but meh, I'm not gonna debate it because I'm a bottom-line kinda guy.
bottom line = mycelium eats either of them right up
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Primal Call]
#14156190 - 03/20/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh, no they aren't sold under the same name and aren't the same thing. They are just strikingly similar,.
Is that a better description?
kinda like an emerald and a ruby
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