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DeadHearts


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KillerPicklez said: It's not our dirty work. It's what apparently most nations want, including other Arab nations. France was the one who was the most anxious to get involved.
Then let them handle it. Im sure they can do this on their own.
We did not need to launch over 100 fuckin missiles. We are already involved in two other wars costing us countless lives and money.
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DeadHearts


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Gadhafi had said the strikes were a confrontation between the Libyan people and "the new Nazis," and promised "a long-drawn war."
Another war for America.
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Mad_Larkin

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DeadHearts said: Gadhafi had said the strikes were a confrontation between the Libyan people and "the new Nazis," and promised "a long-drawn war."
Another war for America.

America is claiming it will defer command of the situation to either France or the UK. I wouldn't worry.
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rackem



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the same government that originally that said no radiation would hit california?
then changed it to radiation will hit california but in harmless doses.
its all time..
and oil
but i do agree a leader should not hurt/kill his own people.
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DeadHearts


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DeadHearts said: Gadhafi had said the strikes were a confrontation between the Libyan people and "the new Nazis," and promised "a long-drawn war."
Another war for America.

America is claiming it will defer command of the situation to either France or the UK. I wouldn't worry.
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Mad_Larkin

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Even the American government isn't stupid enough to allow itself to get drawn into a real conflict here.
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DeadHearts


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Mad_Larkin said: Even the American government isn't stupid enough to allow itself to get drawn into a real conflict here.
Yeah right man. We will see. I dont by that for a fucking second. How often do you have to be lied to until you realize, well, that youre being lied to??
Fool me once, shame on you. Foll me twice. Shame on me.
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Mad_Larkin

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Obviously, I don't believe anything that any goverment tells me.
If the US gets involved in another occupation it will lose far more than it could ever hope to gain in oil. Its population would lose even more faith and the international community would condemn it. Russia is already pissed off with the "no-fly zone".
Trust me, we will not see any kind of ground invasion from the United States.
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DeadHearts


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Mad_Larkin said: Obviously, I don't believe anything that any goverment tells me.
If the US gets involved in another occupation it will lose far more than it could ever hope to gain in oil. Its population would lose even more faith and the international community would condemn it. Russia is already pissed off with the "no-fly zone".
Trust me, we will not see any kind of ground invasion from the United States.
I there is any kind of resistance like Gahdafi blabering about then you can bet the US will be right there in the mixture.
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Mad_Larkin

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We'll have to see how things develop but I very much doubt it.
If any ground troops get sent in they will be Europeans and there will be no occupation.
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DeadHearts


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Mad_Larkin said: We'll have to see how things develop but I very much doubt it.
If any ground troops get sent in they will be Europeans and there will be no occupation.
I hope you are right sir.
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trekie
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That whole area is pretty fucked both its egypt and Tunisia are up in the air.
What will happen is you will have 3. (4 depending on Yemen) weaken central governments all sorta lined up.
Some ones going to take advantage of that.
I would too if i had the resources  
Lets face it we do a pretty shit job of putting people in charge. So easily we want blood with no debate or vote or even an voice questioning.
-------------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Re: Libya [Re: trekie]
#14155587 - 03/20/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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trekie said: That whole area is pretty fucked both its egypt and Tunisia are up in the air.
What will happen is you will have 3. (4 depending on Yemen) weaken central governments all sorta lined up.
Some ones going to take advantage of that.
I would too if i had the resources  
Lets face it we do a pretty shit job of putting people in charge. So easily we want blood with no debate or vote or even an voice questioning.
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trekie
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So fucked up.

TRIPOLI, Libya — A Libyan woman burst into the hotel housing the foreign press in Tripoli on Saturday morning in an attempt to tell journalists that she had been raped and beaten by members of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s militia. After struggling for nearly an hour to resist removal by Colonel Qaddafi’s security forces, she was dragged away from the hotel screaming.
“They say that we are all Libyans and we are one people,” said the woman, who gave her name as Eman al-Obeidy, barging in during breakfast at the hotel dining room. “But look at what the Qaddafi men did to me.” She displayed a broad bruise on her face, a large scar on her upper thigh, several narrow and deep scratch marks lower on her leg, and marks that seemed to come from binding around her hands and feet.
She said she had been raped by 15 men. “I was tied up, and they defecated and urinated on me,” she said. “They violated my honor.”
She pleaded for friends she said were still in custody. “They are still there, they are still there,” she said. “As soon as I leave here, they are going to take me to jail.”
For the members of the foreign news media here at the invitation of the government of Colonel Qaddafi — and largely confined to the Rixos Hotel except for official outings — the episode was a reminder of the brutality of the Libyan government and the presence of its security forces even among the hotel staff. People in hotel uniforms, who just hours before had been serving coffee and clearing plates, grabbed table knives and rushed to physically restrain the woman and to hold back the journalists.
Ms. Obeidy said she was a native of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi who had been stopped by Qaddafi militia on the outskirts of Tripoli. After being held for about two days, she said, she had managed to escape. Wearing a black robe, a veil and slippers, she ran into the Rixos Hotel here, asking specifically to speak to the news service Reuters and The New York Times. “There is no media coverage outside,” she yelled at one point.
“They swore at me and they filmed me. I was alone. There was whiskey. I was tied up,” she told Michael Georgy of Reuters, the only journalist who was able to speak with her briefly. “I am not scared of anything. I will be locked up immediately after this.” She added: “Look at my face. Look at my back.” Her other comments were captured by television cameras.
A wild scuffle began as journalists tried to interview, photograph and protect her. Several journalists were punched, kicked and knocked on the floor by the security forces , working in tandem with people who until then had appeared to be members of the hotel staff. A television camera belonging to CNN was destroyed in the struggle, and security forces seized a device that a Financial Times reporter had used to record her testimony. A plainclothes security officer pulled out a revolver.
. Two members of the hotel staff grabbed table knives to threaten both Ms. Obeidy and the journalists.
“Turn them around, turn them around,” a waiter shouted, trying to block the foreign news media from having access to Ms. Obeidy. A woman on the staff shouted: “Why are you doing this? You are a traitor!” and briefly put a coat over Ms. Obeidy’s head.
There was a prolonged standoff behind the hotel as the security officials apparently restrained themselves because of the presence of so many journalists, but Ms. Obeidy was ultimately forced into a white car and taken away.
“Leave me alone,” she shouted as one man tried to cover her mouth with his hand.
“They are taking me to jail,” she yelled, trying to resist the security guards, according to Reuters. “They are taking me to jail.”
Questioned about her treatment, Khalid Kaim, the deputy foreign minister, promised that she would be treated in accordance with the law. Musa Ibrahim, a government spokesman, said she appeared to be drunk and mentally ill. “Her safety of course is guaranteed,” he said, adding that the authorities were investigating the case, including the possibility that her reports of abuse were “fantasies.”
Charles Clover of The Financial Times, who had put himself in the way of the security forces trying to apprehend her, was put into a van and driven to the border shortly afterward. He said that the night before he had been told to leave because of what Libyan government officials said were inaccuracies in his reports.
-------------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Re: Holy F%$# - OFFICIAL LIBYA IS FREE THREAD!!!!!!!! [Re: trekie]
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Irishdrunk
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Re: Holy F%$# - OFFICIAL LIBYA IS FREE THREAD!!!!!!!! [Re: blewmeanie]
#14228129 - 04/02/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who gives a shit, bomb the fuck out of Ghadafi's base or whatever and lets get back to killing arabs in the other 2 countries.
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Re: Holy F%$# - OFFICIAL LIBYA IS FREE THREAD!!!!!!!! [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14228165 - 04/02/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's a set up, they're been drooling over libya for decades just waiting for an opportunity. IMO the "revolt" was started by western secret service who have a record of supporting Al qaeda and other anti-Qaddafi rebels in libya.
(I also think they have done this unsuccessfully in Iran too lately) (and currently Syria)
I think they used the political momentum of the Egypt protests to stage this one. There's no indication that Libya is having a true popular/majority revolt.
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akira_akuma
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Re: Holy F%$# - OFFICIAL LIBYA IS FREE THREAD!!!!!!!! [Re: Shins]
#14229246 - 04/03/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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nah, man. it's all a real happening. this shit has always been happening maaan... always...
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trekie
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Re: Holy F%$# - OFFICIAL LIBYA IS FREE THREAD!!!!!!!! [Re: akira_akuma]
#14431750 - 05/10/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sigh civil war both sides are fucked up should have let them just go at it 
BENGHAZI, Libya — Three weeks ago, a traveler spotted a man’s body in the farmland on this city’s outskirts, shot twice in the head with his hands and feet bound. He had disappeared earlier that day, after visiting a market.
Ten days later, near the same spot, a shepherd stumbled upon the body of second man, killed with a single bullet to the forehead. Masked, armed men had taken him from his home the night before, without giving a reason, his wife said.
The dead men, Nasser al-Sirmany and Hussein Ghaith, had both worked as interrogators for Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s internal security services, known for their brutality against domestic dissidents. The killings, still unsolved, appeared to be rooted in revenge, the families said, and have raised the specter of a death squad stalking former Qaddafi officials in Benghazi, the opposition stronghold.
The killings have unsettled an already paranoid city, where rebel authorities have spent weeks trying to round up people suspected of being Qaddafi loyalists — members of a fifth column who they say are trying to overthrow the rebels. If the violence continues, it will pose a stern challenge to a movement trying to present a vision of a new country committed to the rule of law, while potentially undermining hopes for a peaceful transition if Colonel Qaddafi surrenders power.
The rebels say their security forces are not responsible for the killings. Prosecutors here say they are investigating at least four attacks, including another murder in March, and they are exploring the possible involvement of Islamists who were imprisoned by the Qaddafi government and are now settling old scores. “It’s our responsibility to protect people,” said Jamal Benour, the justice coordinator for the opposition in Benghazi. “It’s important the killers are punished. The law is most important.”
But some here dismiss talk of Islamists, saying they believe the killings are being carried out by an armed group allied with the rebels, or possibly Qaddafi loyalists pretending to be.
Last week, about a dozen men wearing balaclavas and carrying guns arrived at the house of Youssef al-Tobouli in three pickup trucks. At the time, Mr. Tobouli, a former internal security prison guard who had defected to the rebel side, was at the store. His terrified relatives called friends, and in the gunfight that followed, the room Mr. Tobouli shared with his wife and three children was destroyed by fire.
The attackers were eventually routed, and though they did not identify themselves, they left behind a Mitsubishi pickup truck with “February 17th” — the day Colonel Qaddafi’s opponents mark as the beginning of their revolt — painted on the side, Mr. Tobouli’s cousin said.
“I am very sorry to say that,” said the cousin, Eissa al-Tobouli, referring to the markings on the truck. He added that his cousin was part of a group of former Qaddafi officials who registered their names with rebel officials in Benghazi, on orders from the new authorities to make their defections official. “He paid the price for being in internal security,” the cousin said.
There may have been other attacks. Dr. Omar Khalid, a forensic pathologist at Jalaa Hospital in Benghazi, said the hospital had received at least a dozen bodies of executed men, though it was not clear whether they had worked for the government. The authorities are also investigating the executions of Qaddafi soldiers, said Ali Wanis, the Benghazi district attorney.
One victim, whose throat was slashed, has been in the morgue at Jalaa Hospital since mid-April, unidentified. When his body was found in the Guwarsha area outside Benghazi — near where the bodies of Mr. Sirmany and Mr. Ghaith were found — his feet and hands were bound with rope, the morgue’s manager said.
The killings in Benghazi are taking place in a city that otherwise seems safer with each passing day. Police stations burned in February have reopened. Legions of young volunteers have recently taken to the streets, to sweep and pick up the trash.
The rebel authorities are contemplating reopening schools this month, given the improved security. In the midst of a war, the crime rate in Benghazi is lower than it was before the fighting started, many residents say.
Even on calmer streets, the fear of betrayal has led to deadly episodes. Last week, rebel fighters in pickup trucks rushed to the city’s radio station, after an apparently false report that it had been occupied by Qaddafi loyalists. Guns were fired, and a bystander was accidently killed when a rifle fell off a fighter’s shoulder and went off.
“This is a war of rumors,” said Col. Fawzi Omami, who works as a security guard at the radio station. “People are very edgy.”
Some elements of the rebel security forces have contributed to the discomfort. Mr. Benour, the justice coordinator, said that his office was investigating abuses, including thefts, by the Force for the Protection of the Feb. 17th Revolution, which has official responsibility for arresting Qaddafi loyalists. He said the leader of the force had been suspended.
He said there was no evidence that rebel security forces were implicated in the killings, but admitted the crimes were still a mystery. Salah al-Hami, who was tortured by Colonel Qaddafi’s security agents in the 1990s, said friends had told him he was suspected in the murders of the former Qaddafi officials. Years ago, members of the Hami family were repeatedly jailed as security agents searched for Mr. Hami’s brother Mohamed, a leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group in the 1990s. An uncle and three of his brothers, including Mohamed, were killed by the security services or died in Colonel Qaddafi’s prisons, he said.
Many people here remember the killing of Mohamed al-Hami, on a Benghazi street in 1996. Afterward, the security forces reportedly crucified him before parading his body around Benghazi in the back of a pickup truck.
Mr. Hami denied any involvement in the recent killings. “Never,” he said. “Everybody is going to have a fair trial. I’m against any person who would take matters into their own hands and execute people.”
It was unclear whether Mr. Sirmany and Mr. Ghaith were minor functionaries or senior officers. Mr. Sirmany served in Libya’s special forces and was an interrogator, but he never talked about his work, his brother said. Mr. Ghaith’s family said he simply recorded the interrogations and was happy to join the revolution.
In a mourning tent outside Mr. Ghaith’s house, his wife, Mariam al-Abdali, said: “He didn’t have any enemies. He joined the revolution 20 days after it started.” His son, Abdulrahman Ghaith, said that after his father was abducted, they searched the city until a call came the next day from the hospital.
His father had cuts on his head, and on his left hand, which Dr. Khalid, the forensic pathologist, said was a defensive wound. “His clothes were ripped,” his son said, revealing details that his sisters had not heard before.
“It looked like he resisted,” he said. Nytimes source
-------------------- I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
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Re: Holy F%$# - OFFICIAL LIBYA IS FREE THREAD!!!!!!!! [Re: trekie] 1
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The UN funds all these countries with America having supplied them a ton of weaponry in the years or decades before hand and one by one there governments and stability are going down in mass uprisings?
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