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Q: about additives, amounts, combinations, order, technique, and brands.
    #14154904 - 03/20/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I am torn between a few additives, I know that the PH and the N need to be at the right levels. But I don't have a book and I looked on the advanced myc thread but I cant find specific information on additives and their affect on the substrate. I want to know which of these combos would work best for added nutrients, growth, contam resistance, and balanced PH without raising the heat too much.



Here are the ones I was think of using, I just need to know which ones to use and which of the additives that I plan on using are causing the PH to raise(CH hell's post does't explain exactly which ones go together) 
This is my sub that needs additives.

coir/ verm / dehydrated Hpoo / worm castings (70/20/5/5) *pints=5* so (7 quarts coir70%/2 quarts verm/1 pint dehydrated*supposedly 10x Hpoo/1pint worm castings)*will be a paste that sticks to coir and verm when mixed*
http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=DHYM01

Definite additives:
(one of each color):
Blue=1 pint
Green=1cup
Pink=1Tsp.
Yellow=2 Tablespoons

(Dark compost*from a local compost pile,-OR-
humus for airier sub,
gypsum,
seaweed extract,
canola oil)

And the additives that I am not sure of:

flower pollen

Soybean/Sesame Meal 2-4% dry sub weight? (for a little xtra food and antifungal)
Lime if PH is below 6?

Looked like most of my substrate material I am using is low on PH, (around 5-51/2) and Nitrogen (between .25*70%of sub* and 1.5*20% of sub*) compared to the optimum cube conditions since the optimum PH is 6, and the optimum N level is 2-21/2. Would I just average those up or does it have to do with the higher PH/N ingredients being pasted to the outside of the coir, and the coir just helps to make a sub with air holes for the myc to colonize and they will feed on the more favorable food rather than the part that is lower in N/PH?

I really don't know how to average up how much I need to boost my PH and my Nitrogen levels, I don't know if My nitrogen levels will be very low because of the N content of my coir, or if the N level will be the same as my worm casing/Hpoo mixture since it will be like a paste and cover everything.

I don't know, would I need or could I benefit from any of these additives in this basic coir/verm/hpoo/castings sub, or should I just mix up the main substrate and add only if I need to raise PH after I test it?


BTW I planned on using Damion's 5050 Tek for the coir only with 1/2 the  water since I won't be using verm until after I pasteurize the Hpoo/castings and then mixing the dry ingredients to the pasteurized Hpoo/casting mud and adjusting distilled water or verm for field capacity after everything is mixed and cooled. I have 6 quarts of Rye spawn and I don't know the PH or N level of Rye berries. Planned on using a gallon or so total water and pasteurizing the Hpoo/castings at 160-170F for an hour to 90 minutes with any additive that needs real pasteurization also.

Any additive advice, help, or information is appreciated.

Big thanks to CH for all the information...  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11247091


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Re: Q: about additives, amounts, combinations, order, technique, and brands. [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14154953 - 03/20/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Q: about additives, amounts, combinations, order, technique, and brands. [Re: fungitobewith]
    #14155167 - 03/20/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Simple is usually better.  Do a search on substrates and you will find recipes that work.  Experimentation is great for those that have the time and resources.  If you want to grow shrooms quickly and easily follow the leaders.


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Re: Q: about additives, amounts, combinations, order, technique, and brands. [Re: jwantbeer]
    #14156056 - 03/20/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

coir/ verm / dehydrated Hpoo / worm castings/gypsum (65/20/5/5/5)

Use that for now.  I would use coffee grounds also.  I understand you see trich on coffee grounds after a few days of sitting and this makes you scared to use them.  Coffee has a perfect ph(4-4.2) for trich to thrive on its own but when diluted with a gallon of water and mixed with the substrate it will not be the same as just coffee grounds sitting in your coffee maker.  Use weak liquid coffee if you are still paranoid of it but the coffee will add N and many more things Myc loves it will speed growth thus actually protecting your sub from contams.
Once you find a sub that works you can start adding additive one at a time per grow and see how they work for you.  Also if you are not testing the PH and N levels you dont won't to get too crazy with the additives.  If you are testing your substrate levels then the additives thread will make more sense.  As I stated in that thread the PH and N levels are different for everything(My horse may eat a different diet that yours so the PH and N levels will not be the same) so testing is important when adding anything. 

Stop trying to make things difficult,  keep it simple the first few times because the harder you make it and you have contams and other problems it makes things harder to pin point and fix.

CH


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Re: Q: about additives, amounts, combinations, order, technique, and brands. [Re: CH HELL]
    #14156372 - 03/20/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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jwantbeer said:
Simple is usually better.  Do a search on substrates and you will find recipes that work.  Experimentation is great for those that have the time and resources.  If you want to grow shrooms quickly and easily follow the leaders.




I am doing simple, I am doing Damions simple coir tek, and I am trying to gather knowledge on additives for the 3 quarts of GLC that will be ready in a few weeks so that I can play around with some additives. I have over half of the additives on the list already because my family are farmers.

If I still want to do simple when my GLCs colonize my last five pounds of grain(if the 3 quarts of grain ever colonize) then I will just do a tek that has been proven and uses poo/straw so that I can at least use some lime, but next time I want to play with some of my additives besides gypsum. I would like to find a tek that uses at least three additives and gives detailed information about what, why, when they added each additive and how it produced amazing results with links and pictures.

PF is boring me, grains are simple, I want to build some type of hybrid MonoSG with an automatic air exchange system that runs 24/7 and keeps RH over 95% and use all sorts of exotic additives. If nobody ever tried the more consuming teks and played around with their different ideas then we wouldn't have things like the mono and the SGFC. Change is good, I am just tired of reading about calcium and the variance of soil PH and the PH of urine and how doodoo releases nitrogen and such.

I was just looking for a little help from an advanced mycologist that has had success with any of the additives listed in CH's addon thread to point me in the right direction when using additives for potency like seaweed, and additives for stronger healthier fruits like vitamin B-1. Thanks again CH, you get props.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11247091

I am just additive curious and my jars are still in the closet. If I had a dime for every time that someone told me to follow a simple tek, I would have like $4.

Anyone know someone with a pet Elephant? I will buy some elephant dung if anyone knows where to get it besides a Zoo.
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CH HELL said:
coir/ verm / dehydrated Hpoo / worm castings/gypsum (65/20/5/5/5)

Use that for now.  I would use coffee grounds also.  I understand you see trich on coffee grounds after a few days of sitting and this makes you scared to use them.  Coffee has a perfect ph(4-4.2) for trich to thrive on its own but when diluted with a gallon of water and mixed with the substrate it will not be the same as just coffee grounds sitting in your coffee maker.  Use weak liquid coffee if you are still paranoid of it but the coffee will add N and many more things Myc loves it will speed growth thus actually protecting your sub from contams.
Once you find a sub that works you can start adding additive one at a time per grow and see how they work for you.  Also if you are not testing the PH and N levels you dont won't to get too crazy with the additives.  If you are testing your substrate levels then the additives thread will make more sense.  As I stated in that thread the PH and N levels are different for everything(My horse may eat a different diet that yours so the PH and N levels will not be the same) so testing is important when adding anything. 

Stop trying to make things difficult,  keep it simple the first few times because the harder you make it and you have contams and other problems it makes things harder to pin point and fix.

CH



Thank you CH, you have made coffee make a little more sense, I have questions about it though. I have never used coffee, should I run water through the grinds twice to make them weaker? And do they have to be dried or can I make 10 pots of coffee the day I mix my sub? Also would adding some of the additives that have no PH or N change noted like the tablespoon of canola oil or pollen to any substrate without hurting it as long as I follow the correct procedures? I will just try one per grow or mono at least, I just want to do something different and re invent the wheel and cure cancer and such. Doesn't everyone? And I will be testing PH if I ever use something that requires it.


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Re: Q: about additives, amounts, combinations, order, technique, and brands. [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14156414 - 03/20/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if you're using damion's bucket tek, you're better off to leave the manure, and coffee out...

coir is contam resistant as it is, but manure, straw, coffee, needs to be properly pasteurized.


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Re: Q: about additives, amounts, combinations, order, technique, and brands. [Re: biologys]
    #14156615 - 03/20/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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biologys said:
if you're using damion's bucket tek, you're better off to leave the manure, and coffee out...

coir is contam resistant as it is, but manure, straw, coffee, needs to be properly pasteurized.





I am just following the tek on this one for a one flush wonder, when I get my LC jars going in a few weeks is when I will start the poo pasteurization and such. I am just fishing for feedback on a tried and true method other than the reg to play around with when I get some quicker colonizing spawn going with my LCs to play around with.
If I don't get any big fish I will just do a straw/poo tek next time and keep searching for one that really packs in the nutes and add ons.


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Re: Q: about additives, amounts, combinations, order, technique, and brands. [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14157566 - 03/21/11 01:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if you plan on using additives, follow large doses tek, for coir. easy as hell and I've never had coir go bad on me in that manner.. also I use 1.5 quarts of verm rather than two, cause I feel like it sucks up too much of the water. add gypsum to the coffee befor you mix it with everything else as the gypsum will dry the coffee up a bit and absorbe some of the oils so as not to be to greasy.. also when adding aditives to a sub make sure it doesn't contain magnese or very little as the mycelium doesn't like it.


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