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OfflineGoobye
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First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub
    #14152887 - 03/20/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

* I would look it up myself but most guides require 10 posts and 14 days on forum*

Hi,I'm having some problems understanding on how to do this and was wondering if you could help me out. I'm gonna use a 45 gallon tote the dimensions are 36 1/2"L x 21" W x 19 1/2"H. I plan on casing it and hope to get at least a QP dry. I'm gonna cut the top off except for an inch to put plexi glass. I'm also gonna be using a 6500 watt aquarium light. This is where the questions come into play. I hate to ask you since I'm sure you get a lot of noobs asking you these questions,but I'm not just asking for the info to have it I'm really gonna grow.

Here is the tote: http://www.usphome.com/catalog/item.aspx?sku=12695

Thank you for looking at this whether you can/are willing to answer or not.

1. Where should I put the holes in it? 2 at the top and 2 on the bottom on both sides right?
2. What should I case it with? Would this work? http://www.psychedelic.com/casing_for_dummies.htm
3. How much casing do I put on bottom and top of mycelium?
4. How many cakes do you think it would take to do this tub?
5. I crumble the cakes right?
6. In your opinion what is a good cubensis strain to do a first grow that has good yield and potency?
7. What would you recommend colonizing jars in?
8. What do you think a potential yield could be dry?

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Goobye]
    #14152920 - 03/20/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why not use a clear tub instead of messing with plexiglass?


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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Goobye]
    #14152936 - 03/20/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Make sure you adequately understand the difference between spawning to a bulk substrate and casing a colonized substrate. Get back to us if you do not (or wait a couple more days so you can sufficiently use the search).

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Doc_T]
    #14152937 - 03/20/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I like the blue better and just IDK I just am. Can you answer some my questions?

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Goobye]
    #14152943 - 03/20/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Doc_T is right, though, and he illustrates a commonly over-looked component of cultivation, especially for first-timers: the success of your grow has an indirect relationship with the complexity of your plan. The simpler you make things, the better your chances.

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Goobye]
    #14152944 - 03/20/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yes/no. I could answer your questions, but that's just not how I'd go about it.
But I don't want to tell you how to do it, I just wondered about the plexiglass.
It always seems like an extra step to me.


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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Doc_T]
    #14152946 - 03/20/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well how would you do it

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Goobye]
    #14152960 - 03/20/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It greatly depends on the supplies you have at your disposal. You want to try building a monotub? Frankly I've never done it this way, but I will soon. So as far as construction goes, I can't really help you there. Do you have a pressure cooker? Glass quart jars (canning style; i.e., mason jars)?

Provide a little more about your available tools if you want a more elaborate step-by-step process of how "we would do it". Not trying to be rude, but it's nearly impossible to give you a case specific method that fits your profile without knowing what there is to work with.

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14152967 - 03/20/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Gonkulator said:
It greatly depends on the supplies you have at your disposal. You want to try building a monotub? Frankly I've never done it this way, but I will soon. So as far as construction goes, I can't really help you there. Do you have a pressure cooker? Glass quart jars (canning style; i.e., mason jars)?

Provide a little more about your available tools if you want a more elaborate step-by-step process of how "we would do it". Not trying to be rude, but it's nearly impossible to give you a case specific method that fits your profile without knowing what there is to work with.



I have everything except for spores and casing. I'm gonna be using rye berries fro colonization in quart jars which are in the pressure cooker now so later on down the road when I'm read I can just put the spores in them I have 36 sterilized

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Goobye]
    #14153014 - 03/20/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I personally wouldn't case my first time. Or, if you must, at least run different "experiments" where you case some, but not all, of your trays or tubs. Assuming you can colonize all 36 jars without losing any, you could potentially make (depending on your spawn ratio) approximately 7 tubs (assuming 5 quarts per tub... but again I'm not the tub expert), or 15-36 trays (as in aluminum / lasagna trays), depending on if you use 1 quart for each tray or 2 quarts.

I don't know if you are differentiating between casing and spawning to bulk, so here it goes: Spawning to bulk means you take your fully colonized quart jar, which could take up to a month after you inject your spores, break the grains up by banging it on a bicycle tire (or however you see fit), and mixing it / layering it in with a pasteurized medium. This medium usually takes the form of manure, coir, or straw, with some mixture of vermiculite and gyspum. The benefit of doing this is that you could take one quart of spawn (spawn = fully colonized jar) and mix it in with 2, 3, 4 or 5 jars of pasteurized bulk (the manure, coir, etc...). It's like multiplying your quart jars of spawn.

Casing is when that bulk substrate you just prepared becomes fully colonized and you apply anywhere from 1/4" to 1/2" (numbers vary greatly depending on preference and one's situation) of another medium, usually a mixture of peat moss and vermiculite, again with some gyspum added for nutrition and hydrated lime to control the pH. The pH adjustment makes this microclimate tolerable for mycelium, but intolerable for some contaminates. Some mushroom species require casings. P. cubensis does not, although some swear it helps even out their pinset. I won't argue with them, as some who've mastered casings have beautiful flushes. But they aren't required. It's just an extra step, and as far as a newcomer is concerned, any extra step is a step that could cause the whole project to fail.

A general outline of what I would do, in this order (starting immediately), is:

(1) Research sterile technique. You're going to need it in order to successfully inoculate those rye jars. I'm assuming you prepared them correctly.

(2) Inoculate your jars and store them somewhere 70-80 degrees F (room temperature is fine) where they receive ambient light. Storing colonizing jars in the dark is outdated information. You want to establish a circadian rhythym early on.

(3) During this next month-long gap when your jars are colonizing (and hopefully not contaminating), do as much research as humanly possible.

(4) Decide whether you want to use monotubs or a shotgun fruiting chamber to fruit your bulk substrate.

(5) Learn about pasteurization. It's quite a bit different than sterilization and does not require a pressure cooker. In fact, you won't use your pressure cooker at all, unless you're using it as a giant pot. But you won't pressure cook anything at this point.

(6) Learn how to spawn your colonized rye jars to whatever bulk substrate you want to prepare and pasteurize.

edit: spelling

Edited by Gonkulator (03/20/11 10:08 AM)

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14153088 - 03/20/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think you should start with pf tek  and not try to get 1/4 pound dry from you first grow.


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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: treewood69]
    #14153108 - 03/20/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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treewood69 said:
I think you should start with pf tek...



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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: treewood69]
    #14153110 - 03/20/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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treewood69 said:
I think you should start with pf tek  and not try to get 1/4 pound dry from you first grow.




I have to agree with this. Everyone should put in their dues with PF tek.


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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: mike689]
    #14153539 - 03/20/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

are you using grain or brf?

seems like your looking too far ahead

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: shroomiin]
    #14154575 - 03/20/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've never done a PF tek grow. I started with bulk. It's not preferred, but I don't see why not. You just have to be up to the challenge, I guess. Don't be discouraged.

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14154674 - 03/20/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I started with PF Tek and while waiting, am doing some research on other procedures. But I can say that you can never get enough info, so just keep reading while your waiting on the BRF Cakes to develope.
BRF is the cheapest way to get started.
Good Luck

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Re: First time,45 gallon/180 qt monotub [Re: mabachko]
    #14154837 - 03/20/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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mabachko said:
I started with PF Tek and while waiting, am doing some research on other procedures. But I can say that you can never get enough info, so just keep reading while your waiting on the BRF Cakes to develope.
BRF is the cheapest way to get started.
Good Luck



Yeah thats the way to go exactly what I'm doing now


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