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Bombing Libya is Bullshit
    #14152684 - 03/20/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I guess I shouldn't be surprised but Obama is acting just like all the other presidents. It's pathetic. What an asshole!


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14152696 - 03/20/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I love how we just ignore the constitution and never ask Congress. We just give our sovereignty away via UN Resolution. This is an act of war and this is unconstitutional. The Arab world should deal with this, we have no business being the policemen of the world. The only time it is appropriate to intervene militarily is when Congress approves of it.. or else we just enter into long drawn out wars which are extremely financially taxing. How much will this cost?

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14152707 - 03/20/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The world should be paying us to be their watchdogs.


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
    #14152713 - 03/20/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Kada said:
The world should be paying us to be their watchdogs.




That's probably how Qadaffi feels.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14152729 - 03/20/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have no idea how I feel about Libya

What are we going to do when the people we're protecting start killing civilians?

What's our out on this? When do we start breaking out the "Mission Accomplished" banners?


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14152731 - 03/20/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Let the Sunnis and shiites fight it out amongst themselves, why the fuck do other countries have to come gallivanting in there when there only gonna raise sectarian tensions even more.

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 2
    #14152738 - 03/20/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

What are we going to do when the people we're protecting start killing civilians?




I'm sure our military will be sure to kill those civilians first.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14152745 - 03/20/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Let the Sunnis and shiites fight it out amongst themselves, why the fuck do other countries have to come gallivanting in there when there only gonna raise sectarian tensions even more.




Wrong country, Libya is a little different than Sunni Shiite.

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14152751 - 03/20/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
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What are we going to do when the people we're protecting start killing civilians?




I'm sure our military will be sure to kill those civilians first.




Really? We're going to attack peaceful Gadoffey supporters?


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14152752 - 03/20/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I love how we just ignore the constitution and never ask Congress.




That's Congress' fault for giving the President that authority.  The Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war and the President the power of commander-in-chief, so it's arguable which way things should be.

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Rebirtha said:
We just give our sovereignty away via UN Resolution.




Not really, the UN is just a tool for the US and the 4 other vetoing countries to do what they want and give some kind of legality to it.

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Rebirtha said:The Arab world should deal with this, we have no business being the policemen of the world. The only time it is appropriate to intervene militarily is when Congress approves of it.. or else we just enter into long drawn out wars which are extremely financially taxing. How much will this cost?




If Congress wanted to challenge this legally or withdraw funding they could at any time.  Congress (of both parties) over the last 50 years have all but conceded the power to declare war to the President.  I agree that we should stop this policeman of the world BS, but unfortunately most people in the US don't agree.

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: MelloRed]
    #14152757 - 03/20/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

this is about to be a long and opinionated thread. good times :dancer:


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14152761 - 03/20/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm glad were doing what were doing. Someone has to stop insaine people like that from killing innocent people who just want a better life.

Be proud were over there killing those tools. From the beginning of this I have said someone needs to kill the shit out of that guy and anyone who supports him.


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14152762 - 03/20/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Quote:

TheFakeSunRa said:
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What are we going to do when the people we're protecting start killing civilians?




I'm sure our military will be sure to kill those civilians first.




Really? We're going to attack peaceful Gadoffey supporters?




We're going to murder anyone who might get in the way of our billionaires staying billionaires.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
    #14152767 - 03/20/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Kada said:
kill the shit out of that guy




:huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
    #14152771 - 03/20/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Kada said:
I'm glad were doing what were doing. Someone has to stop insaine people like that from killing innocent people who just want a better life.

Be proud were over there killing those tools. From the beginning of this I have said someone needs to kill the shit out of that guy and anyone who supports him.




Wait until gangs of foreign thugs with uzis start offing people in American streets because our leaders are insane. Then see if you feel the same way about it.

Fuck this America is the 'good guy' mentality. It's BULLSHIT

Qadaffi can't hold a candle to all the nasty shit America has been up to.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: MelloRed]
    #14152773 - 03/20/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You are right, Congress never challenges the over reaching of executive power and we haven't declared war since WWII. We just flat can't afford this anymore though.
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Rebirtha said:
I love how we just ignore the constitution and never ask Congress.




That's Congress' fault for giving the President that authority.  The Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war and the President the power of commander-in-chief, so it's arguable which way things should be.

Quote:

Rebirtha said:
We just give our sovereignty away via UN Resolution.




Not really, the UN is just a tool for the US and the 4 other vetoing countries to do what they want and give some kind of legality to it.

Quote:

Rebirtha said:The Arab world should deal with this, we have no business being the policemen of the world. The only time it is appropriate to intervene militarily is when Congress approves of it.. or else we just enter into long drawn out wars which are extremely financially taxing. How much will this cost?




If Congress wanted to challenge this legally or withdraw funding they could at any time.  Congress (of both parties) over the last 50 years have all but conceded the power to declare war to the President.  I agree that we should stop this policeman of the world BS, but unfortunately most people in the US don't agree.




The President may be commander in chief but that does not give him the right to start a war. During 9/11 a resolution was passed giving the President the right to respond to Al Qaeda but Congress has approved nothing for this Libya no fly zone/ missile attack. We DO toss away our sovereignty when we enter into undeclared war because of a UN Coalition. The UN isn't government and US Laws still apply to the power of our government and what it can do. I don't agree that they have the right to put a no fly zone or shoot tomahawk missiles at any country they want because the UN thinks its a good idea. This will feed the anti-US sentiment.

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #14152774 - 03/20/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
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Baby_Hitler said:
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TheFakeSunRa said:
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What are we going to do when the people we're protecting start killing civilians?




I'm sure our military will be sure to kill those civilians first.




Really? We're going to attack peaceful Gadoffey supporters?




We're going to murder anyone who might get in the way of our billionaires staying billionaires.




To do that, we just have to make sure that whoever's in power has to buy all new shit.


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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14152782 - 03/20/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No. They have to make sure they have easy access to oil. That's how the super-rich control the world. They make sure they control the shit we have to buy.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14152787 - 03/20/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

War is necessary. Stopping insane leaders who are hell bent on murder SHOULD be the job of the people most capable of stopping him. That would be us.

And FUCK YES I would hope another nation would intervene in the US if our leaders started murdering civilians to keep their corrupted power. I would thank them not condemn them.

We are actually doing good by going after his forces. Be proud you live in a nation that is willing to protect people who can't protect themselves from evil. There is no peace without war. We need to stop thinking about our own asses and try to help out the world when stuff like this happens.


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My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
    #14152788 - 03/20/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Just like when we freed the Iraqi people right? Also what about all of Qadafi loyalsists? Should we be killing civilians who are fighting rebels?


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