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Clever. The "communist propaganda" about American policy not being motivated by altruism but rather self-interest is also the majority position around the world. Celebrates a mass murderer? Any evidence to back up this baseless assertion? Didn't think so.
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are you saying we're there for the oil? isnt that what was claimed about Iraq and Afghanistan as well? well how much of that Iraqi oil is coming to the US? hell, how many barrels of oil are even produced in afghanistan
WTF are you talked about? While you are completely changing the subject & bringing up something that I have not said, should we bring up abortion?
Oil is totally extraneous to my point, which is why I didn't bring it up. But since you brought it up, there's a guy in the Ivory Coast who lost an election but won't step down. Apparently, within the last week, his thugs have started killing people. Wanna drop some bombs there?
P.S. Afghanistan is the home of a portion of a natural gas pipeline from the Caspian Sea to the Indian ocean (built post 2001), plus has huge untapped mineral reserves. Nobody has ever said oil.
look at liberia, for christ sakes.
but yeah, we aren't really talking about that, so... cry me a river, i guess. :P
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: akira_akuma]
#14154371 - 03/20/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14154384 - 03/20/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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They vowed to murder people. We stopped them from killing god knows how many people by taking out their capabilities do do so and you guys are mad that we got involved? Seriously? Obama didnt start shit, he is the face of the people deciding this. The scapegoat. I don't like him but he isn't at fault for starting this. If he was then good it needed to be done.
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
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EntheogenicPeace said: What? Bhutan is 132 among nations by HDI, less than $2000 per capita GDP... so clearly not a paradise for all. Regardless, it has nothing at all to do with refuting what I said.
they are clearly irrelevant to that index, as they are missing statistical data to support them even BEING in the latest report, since from 2007.
i guess it's not relevant to your point of view.
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Kada said: They vowed to murder people. We stopped them from killing god knows how many people by taking out their capabilities do do so and you guys are mad that we got involved? Seriously? Obama didnt start shot, he is the face of the people deciding this. The scapegoat.
not me your talking to, right? :P
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: akira_akuma]
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Sorry on my phone at work and didn't reply right lol
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
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Kada said: Sorry on my phone at work and didn't reply right lol
no problem, i figured you weren't replying to me.  i just don't want to be mistaken, that's all.
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Rebirtha]
#14154469 - 03/20/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rebirtha said: I love how we just ignore the constitution and never ask Congress. We just give our sovereignty away via UN Resolution. This is an act of war and this is unconstitutional. The Arab world should deal with this, we have no business being the policemen of the world. The only time it is appropriate to intervene militarily is when Congress approves of it.. or else we just enter into long drawn out wars which are extremely financially taxing. How much will this cost?
we are officially bombing libya? wtf?
god damn obama. i'm surprised this didn't end up in political discussion
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: imachavel]
#14154481 - 03/20/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: akira_akuma]
#14154512 - 03/20/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Indeed!
The bottom line is we saved peoples lives that just want a better future. That asshole won't leave office and was grooming his son to take over power. He is doing anything he can to keep his grip on power even if he has to kill everyone. This is he type if guy that knows what he is doing and playing the victim to justify murdering people who just want their laws followed and Reform to take place to give them better Free lives. They are doing their best To get this accomplished and he just wants to kill them and stop any change that will take away his Power and end his horrible reign. If he cared About the people he would step down And make way for change to better their nation.
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they are clearly irrelevant to that index, as they are missing statistical data to support them even BEING in the latest report, since from 2007.
i guess it's not relevant to your point of view.
I don't really know anything about the country, but if you think the ~$1900 per capita GDP is wrong, or the HDI ranking is way off, then I guess the burden of proof would be on you. Regardless, though, that map (from 2006) is the most accurate measure of undernourishment that we have worldwide.
The reason for bringing it up was to reveal the hypocrisy of those who say we have a moral obligation to intervene in Libya when they say no such thing about having a moral need to tie tens of billions in foreign military sales annually to poverty reduction, eliminating hunger, etc. Instead, they are happy to exploit cheap labor & resources these arrangements provide for their own material convenience.
It is hypocritical, & it's why a majority around the world, don't believe American policy to be motivated by righteousness despite us constantly telling ourselves that. More concrete 7 to that point, once the U.S. drops some bombs on the government of Yemen (which of course won't happen bc we'd be taking out the equipment we sold them), then we can talk about objectivity in opposing tyrants & supporting democracy abroad.
i get that already.
the GDP should not be used as measurement stick. i means nothing to this small mountain country.
like i said; and to prove MY point, the gross national happiness survey in Bhutan are at steady rates above 85 percent and they are not concerned with the GDP.take a quick peak
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
#14154560 - 03/20/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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either way those soldiers must die
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
#14154573 - 03/20/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: Indeed!
The bottom line is we saved peoples lives that just want a better future. That asshole won't leave office and was grooming his son to take over power. He is doing anything he can to keep his grip on power even if he has to kill everyone. This is he type if guy that knows what he is doing and playing the victim to justify murdering people who just want their laws followed and Reform to take place to give them better Free lives. They are doing their best To get this accomplished and he just wants to kill them and stop any change that will take away his Power and end his horrible reign. If he cared About the people he would step down And make way for change to better their nation.
This just shows how little you know about Libya and Gaddafi. Sure he is a dictator, but as far as dictators go he built his country into the "jewel of Africa" and the only country besides South Africa that's even approaching a first world industrial nation. Not only that but the same people bombing him right now (USA, France, and UK) just a couple years ago were saying "he's not that bad, he's a lot better now". He's built the infrastructure up, built schools, hospitals, skyscrapers.
I'm not saying he's a good dude or anything.
In the last 40 years Gaddafi has sold hundreds of billions of dollars of oil. Big oil doesn't profit from this. You can bet after this invasion they will though.
Also, according to who you believe, last week British mercs were arrested leading certain so-called "rebels". In this case the rebels are backed by western banking interests. Since they failed to take control of the country now we are leading them a hand. These "rebels" are not fighting for the freedom of Libyans. They will be just like every other leader that we've put into place in any country, they are there to take orders, and they are almost always worse than the people they replace.
These ideas of freedom for Libyans is non-sense, that's not what this is about.
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: dynomite]
#14154586 - 03/20/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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dynomite said: yes he blocked inspectors in the years running up to the war, but all of our intelligence from the first war up until then showed he wasn't pursuing WMDs and didn't have the capability to do so
this is what was reported by the media but sure as hell seems suspicious that he's violated the peace treaty, blocked inspectors and burried munitions, centrifuge components and WMDs and then with the purchase of some items such as the aluminum tubes near the time of the invasion...
tell me, has intelligence we've gathered ever been wrong?
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
#14154596 - 03/20/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: They vowed to murder people. We stopped them from killing god knows how many people by taking out their capabilities do do so and you guys are mad that we got involved? Seriously? Obama didnt start shit, he is the face of the people deciding this. The scapegoat. I don't like him but he isn't at fault for starting this. If he was then good it needed to be done.
bush didnt start shit either yet he's called a war criminal by many liberals and most hippies, bush was just a scape goat, we were helping people, saving no telling how many thousands of lives... by killing people
convoluted logic, FTW
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
#14154601 - 03/20/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: Indeed!
The bottom line is we saved peoples lives that just want a better future. That asshole won't leave office and was grooming his son to take over power. He is doing anything he can to keep his grip on power even if he has to kill everyone. This is he type if guy that knows what he is doing and playing the victim to justify murdering people who just want their laws followed and Reform to take place to give them better Free lives. They are doing their best To get this accomplished and he just wants to kill them and stop any change that will take away his Power and end his horrible reign. If he cared About the people he would step down And make way for change to better their nation.
and this is our problem how?
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14154603 - 03/20/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well despite what I think about it I thought we weren't really allOwed to do anything to a country in civil war. That's what that is right?
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Konyap]
#14154609 - 03/20/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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aiyobro said:
didnt we bomb bagdad before the afgan war even started?
we bombed under the first bush after the invasion of Kuwait and clinton continued bombing through the 90s, somehow that didnt get much negative press coverage
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Re: Bombing Libya is Bullshit [Re: Kada]
#14154613 - 03/20/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: Well despite what I think about it I thought we weren't really allOwed to do anything to a country in civil war. That's what that is right?
well, if we want to be all technical... the US isnt doing anything, this once again is a UN action, it's always been UN/NATO since the end of WWII, korea, viet nam, every 'war' we've been involved in was under the UN banner
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