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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14159676 - 03/21/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Every time a TBer is asked to present 'best evidence' and it is refuted, the standard response is "Wait! I've got more," as if second best or a mishmash of unrelated 'evidence' will be even more convincing




What is a 'TBer'? sorry I'm not in the loop.

The best case of evidence for reincarnation is the work of harvard researcher Ian Stevenson. See if you can debunk him. :tongue:


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14159683 - 03/21/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yep, because people get something in their head that sounds cool and comforting to the anxiety of death and they will continue to believe it based on absolutely nothing other than "I just know it's true."






For many that may be true but I can sincerely tell you that I never believe in something merely for the sake in believing it. I only believe in something when there is suffient reasoning to provide me with the intellectual conviction for my belief.





Then present it or I'm calling Bullshit.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14159689 - 03/21/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I guess if you totally redefine the word 'solid'... :rolleyes:


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14159690 - 03/21/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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As iv stated it was not intended to be evidence of reincarnation...



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IMO it is still a solid case of reincarnation...




So it's not intended to be evidence of reincarnation, but it is a solid case of it?


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Icelander]
    #14159710 - 03/21/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You will be waiting quite a while. :waits:


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14159716 - 03/21/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I guess if you totally redefine the word 'solid'... :rolleyes:





The OP is not being honest here at all, one bit, imo. He said solid and he thought it was otherwise he wouldn't have put himself up for this type of cross examination.  He's shown his true colors as far as his posts go.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Poid]
    #14159718 - 03/21/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well theres no way of knowing if it is false or true and my opinion is that it is true so IMO (as i stated) it is indeed a solid case of rebirth. It's not evidence because it can be believed to be invalid. Either way you are believing as you have not prooved it invalid you have only pointed out that it COULD Be invalid and there is no way of knowing.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14159720 - 03/21/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So it's not intended to be evidence of reincarnation, but it is a solid case of it?




Poidster, one cannot use logic to dissemble double-speak.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14159733 - 03/21/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well theres no way of knowing if it is false or true and my opinion is that it is true so IMO (as i stated) it is indeed a solid case of rebirth. It's not evidence because it can be believed to be invalid. Either way you are believing as you have not prooved it invalid you have only pointed out that it COULD Be invalid and there is no way of knowing.





Bull shit.:holyshit:

And you call yourself logical? Not in this forum.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14159734 - 03/21/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

its just words they don't mean anything


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Icelander]
    #14159741 - 03/21/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The OP is not being honest here at all




Now THERE is a shocker! :whoa: A self-proclaimed spiritual type being intellectually dishonest.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14159757 - 03/21/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well theres no way of knowing if it is false or true and my opinion is that it is true so IMO (as i stated) it is indeed a solid case of rebirth.


So you believe it just because it jives with your opinions?


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It's not evidence because it can be believed to be invalid.


You said it is a solid case for reincarnation, this is the same thing as saying it is evidence for reincarnation; I don't know why you think that it's not evidence because it can be believed to be invalid. Evidence is not proof, and is often believed to be invalid, like in courts for example.


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Either way you are believing as you have not prooved it invalid you have only pointed out that it COULD Be invalid and there is no way of knowing.


I'm not of the position that reincarnation is definitely impossible, but I think it is highly unlikely; if there is truly no way of knowing, then it is an unfalsifiable theory and not worth seriously entertaining IMO.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
    #14159769 - 03/21/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well I might not have gotten some evidence for reincarnation but I certainly have gotten some more evidence that so called  spiritual people lie like fuck. Not like I already don't have enough of that. :lol: It's ethical/moral cowardice imo.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Poid]
    #14159776 - 03/21/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if there is truly know way of knowing




Ahem. :nerd: Got you, MFer!


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Icelander]
    #14159791 - 03/21/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Then present it or I'm calling Bullshit.




IMO it is more likely that that reality is purely perception, perception is what causes consciousness. Consciousness cannot permanently ceases because its source, perception will never ceases to exist. I'am not apart from consiousness or perception and will also never cease to exist. All of those claims require arguments that require further arguments but that is the hard basis of my belief in rebirth. All the other "evidence" is merely icing on the cake.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14159798 - 03/21/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I fixed that right away. :stoned:


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14159804 - 03/21/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You said it is a solid case for reincarnation, this is the same thing as saying it is evidence for reincarnation; I don't know why you think that it's not evidence because it can be believed to be invalid. Evidence is not proof, and is often believed to be invalid, like in courts for example




Not really interested in doing the samantics with you.

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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Icelander]
    #14159822 - 03/21/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well I might not have gotten some evidence for reincarnation but I certainly have gotten some more evidence that so called  spiritual people lie like fuck




Haha wow I'm a liar now because I'm using words incorrectly? I don't get it. My opinion is that the video is not a fake and the kid is sincere because he has lived a past life and hence its a case of rebirth. I'v admitted that what am I lieing about?


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14159835 - 03/21/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Then present it or I'm calling Bullshit.




IMO it is more likely that that reality is purely perception, perception is what causes consciousness. Consciousness cannot permanently ceases because its source, perception will never ceases to exist. I'am not apart from consiousness or perception and will also never cease to exist. All of those claims require arguments that require further arguments but that is the hard basis of my belief in rebirth. All the other "evidence" is merely icing on the cake.






hard basis :lol:

You mean like "solid". 

Actually "hardly solid"

Don't try and change the subject cause that's bullshit. Present evidence or admit you don't have it.  I'd sure love a tad of truth and honesty in one of your posts.  It doesn't matter to us that much but it should matter to you.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero] * 1
    #14159837 - 03/21/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Then present it or I'm calling Bullshit.


IMO it is more likely that that reality is purely perception, perception is what causes consciousness.


How many times have you said this? How many times have you provided evidence for this?


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Consciousness cannot permanently ceases because its source, perception will never ceases to exist.


What? :confused:

Consciousness and perception are the same thing...


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I'am not apart from consiousness or perception and will also never cease to exist.


So how many more baseless claims do you plan to throw at us?


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All of those claims require arguments that require further arguments but that is the hard basis of my belief in rebirth.


That's hardly any basis at all.


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All the other "evidence" is merely icing on the cake.


That cake is nothing but horse shit. :holyshit:


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