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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: g00ru]
    #14154570 - 03/20/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if you gain self knowledge reincarnation or an afterlife of some sort is just plain common sense.  there's nowhere to go!





That's just plain bull shit.  You continue to make such statements without ever a shred of evidence.  :thumbdown:

From reading your posts it's easy to tell, common sense is not your strong suit.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: ApJunkie]
    #14154574 - 03/20/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well if the story in the video is true then you cannot ignore the evidence and logical explaination is rebirth, that or collective memory or something.

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I think the most logical outcome is that when you die




What we consider to be logical, possible or impossible is determined by our fundemental beliefs or perception of what reality is. Sometimes we think something is rational but it's really not and vice-versa.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero] * 1
    #14154578 - 03/20/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Without a grounded perception of this reality you end up head on into oncoming traffic.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: g00ru] * 1
    #14154762 - 03/20/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Certainty in an afterlife is a nice way to stay comfortably asleep all day.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14154867 - 03/20/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I think it's the conclusion most rational people would come to.



How does rational\logic make rebirth impossible?




It doesn't, but due to the fact that a lot of people are willing to lie to get what they want, it seems more reasonable to think that this is the case rather than to believe such an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there's certainly not enough evidence to really show anything.

And rather than by pushing their beliefs about reincarnation, they could be trying to push some other unknown agenda. No one really knows. Perhaps they think it might get them respect, attention, possibly money? Who knows.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: ApJunkie]
    #14154944 - 03/20/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Actually I don't think rebirth is a logical explanation in the slightest. I think the most logical outcome is that when you die, it's over with forever. :shrug:



That's not particularly logical. The fact that we're here now means that something can and will come from nothing.

The question is- what?


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: soldatheero]
    #14154993 - 03/20/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Sure there is no way to know but you can still rationalize it and ask yourself, what are the odds that they are lying and what are the odds they are telling the truth?





The question I ask is what are the odds that there will be parents who lie about this kind of thing? Pretty close to 100%.

Hoaxes do and will continue to happen



I am also more suspicious because the boy appears to not have talked to the piliots sister or war buddy or have revealed previously unknown information or even information that the parents would not be able to access through research.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: NetDiver]
    #14155030 - 03/20/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ApJunkie said:
Actually I don't think rebirth is a logical explanation in the slightest. I think the most logical outcome is that when you die, it's over with forever. :shrug:



That's not particularly logical. The fact that we're here now means that something can and will come from nothing.

The question is- what?



Who says we came from nothing?
And as for reincarnation, seems to me like a way to justify social stratification.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: learningtofly]
    #14155051 - 03/20/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well of course the energy that makes up our form goes on forever maybe. However the consciousness of the form and the form itself likely does not for us or ant or bacteria.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: learningtofly]
    #14155691 - 03/20/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Who says we came from nothing?



Where did we come from?


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: NetDiver]
    #14156163 - 03/20/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There's this stork, see?


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: NetDiver]
    #14156175 - 03/20/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like religious weirdos.  If he really was the pilot he should be able to recall how many bitches he fucked at war, what kind of sex positions he liked how his wife liked the cock ect ect.  He should be able to recall EVERYTHING from this "past-life" just because some kid talks about being a pilot an got shot here and here doesn't mean anything except he knows how to play act like he is a pilot, and some religious whacko parents who believe in an afterlife and want to propel this "after life" thought via death anxiety saying their son was reincarnated as evidence to support their religious beliefs is bullshit.

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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14156227 - 03/20/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

For anyone truly interested, this was debunked here and on JREF before - and NO, I am not going to find a link for you.

The kid got much of his info from an aviation museum as a very young boy who memorized the placards and from books, and the whole RinkyCarnation thang came years later.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14156236 - 03/20/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Little kids like to make believe they are other people...??? SHOCKING!  But his mom saw all the TV he watched and the books he read!


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14156553 - 03/20/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course! Case closed.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14156765 - 03/20/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Certainty in an afterlife is a nice way to stay comfortably asleep all day.




...yeah, only if you think about it a lot though...i keep my eye on the prize


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: g00ru]
    #14157372 - 03/21/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

that kid is doin' thangs for sure :feelsgoodman:


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: lolwut]
    #14157575 - 03/21/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

actually there are many "solid cases" of reincarnation like this, in fact dalai llamas are believed to be the continual reincarnations of the previous llamas so each new llama is put through tests to prove his identity. The current dalai llama knew all sorts of things about the previous llama, asking for possessions of his and refusing fake duplicates, calling the previous llamas relatives by name though he had never met them, etc

of course you can chalk all that up to superstition, etc, but there are many interesting cases that show up in the news in the east, (most of the more recent ones I've seen are from india).

really though it never is 100% irrefutable proof, and an element of belief must come into it like any supernatural type event or supposed miracle or whatever, and even then it could be something else but everyone assumes reincarnation, like idk maybe they're just some kind of psychic or something





not to knock your thread or anything, its just that buddha describes reincarnation strictly as a possibility not a sure thing, and stresses the importance of the preservation of truth and ultimately admitting our ignorance, especially when it comes to what happens when we die and heaven and hell and god and all that sort of religious stuff.

I personally think that once you die you basically trip out, go into your mind, going through each thought until finally you get down to the end and dissolve into nothing, if you are enlightened this entire process will have no impedance and your death will be optimally beautiful and fruitful, your life and death helping the world the most it can like the buddha's :shrug:


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14157697 - 03/21/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Actually, the Buddha describes reincarnation as a definate thing, and in rationalising it out of existence you are immediately hindering your possible progress on the path. He also says dont believe anything he says unless it works for you.

Google it lol.

Intuition would play a large part though, and many spiritual teachers say that everyone is psychic, just most people don't realise it. Not spiritual teachers as in channelers or people who talk to the dead, but spiritual teachers as in enlightened world teachers who speak for the benefit of everyone. Another thing that most frauds dont talk about is psychic attack - the fact that upon realising you're psychic, you immediately become in tune with all the negative energies that are released by your enemies towards you, and the fact that once this happens its more important to cut yourself off from the ones who drain you, before you try and gain more power - otherwise the people draining you can steal your power and try and use it agaisnt you.

This stuff is actually very important and its not that much to read if you want to protect yourself and your loved ones.

http://ramaquotes.com/html/power.html
http://ramaquotes.com/html/personal_power.html
http://ramaquotes.com/html/gaining_power.html
http://ramaquotes.com/html/abusing_power.html
http://ramaquotes.com/html/psychic_self_defense.html
http://ramaquotes.com/html/places_power.html
http://ramaquotes.com/html/castaneda_tonal_nagual.html

There is a very fine line between abusing power, and using it to defend yourself, which is often why a lot of people dont get much power.


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Re: A Solid Case of Rincarnation [Re: lolwut]
    #14157717 - 03/21/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well it depends on which canon of the tipitaka you use. The pali canon has many parts where he explains that you can not know if reincarnation is real or not, but basically that it is still a good model to think about yourself, death and rebirth, etc. and of course he was raised a hindu, but he expressed doubt that there is any type of reincarnation or god or anything like that, and above all stressed the importance to not become too attached to opinions of these types of things as either true or false

If you don't believe me I'll dig up the numerous examples of him talking about it


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