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Americas "unique capabilities"
#14148922 - 03/19/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So i was watching the news a minute ago and Obama was speaking from Brazil about the situation in Libya. When Obama talked about Americas involvement in the conflict (we just started bombing Libya for those of you not following the news) he used the phrase "unique capabilities" when discussing why we are involving ourselves in the Libyan conflict.
Did anyone else notice this phrasing? I'm guessing that by "unique capabilities" he is referring to our massive military industrial complex that has helped to bankrupt America over the last 30 years.
I'm not sure what is so "unique" about squandering our valuable resources on bombs, tanks, bullets, drones, and other machines of war.
Anyone else fuckin' despise newspeak?
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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i think its even scarier that they are going to start using drones on american civilans and the war on drugs. sacramento police were caught recently out in the woods secretly testing the drones.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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its unique because we can shit all over every other country when it comes to military power.
have you ever been inside of a large military base and seen the shit we have there? now imagine it doubled, because half of the stuff that is normally at each base is out on duty or patrol somewhere in the world.
i dont mind it at all. i could walk around a naval base all day and just be stupified at how huge the ships are, how many planes fit on one aircraft carrier, or how technologically advanced submarines are. its fascinating shit. and its powerful shit too.
not to mention the special forces of each branch of military. those are some skilled fuckers, and they put in a lot of work behind the scenes that never gets mentioned in the news.
we are one of the countries that has nuclear weapons and can force other countries to NOT have them. we wouldnt even have to physically send people out to the other countries if we wanted, but unfortunately that is deemed immoral for some reason. so instead we spend assloads on manned ships/planes/vehicles/weapons and go there to do the dirty work by hand.
war is a part of life, as can be seen not only in the present, but in the past all the way back as far as recorded history goes. even animals fight each other for mates and territory, and for some reason people tend to think theyre pure and free of the 'immorality' that humans express.
its comforting to know that i can live here and never have to experience what we do to other countries. would you like it if all the sudden america was being attacked from all directions and there was nothing we could do about it? i dont think so. i would rather be top dog than be the top dogs bitch.
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I would say that the use of military force on Libya is actually not a bad idea. It's only questionable because of the very bad idea, the consequences of which we still live with, of invading Iraq eight years ago.
I agree completely about the military-industrial complex, and I'd say that Iraq is the archetypal example of its abuses. But knocking Gaddhafi out of Libya is actually a pretty humanitarian, responsible thing to do.
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SamuelLJackson said: its unique because we can shit all over every other country when it comes to military power.
have you ever been inside of a large military base and seen the shit we have there? now imagine it doubled, because half of the stuff that is normally at each base is out on duty or patrol somewhere in the world.
i dont mind it at all. i could walk around a naval base all day and just be stupified at how huge the ships are, how many planes fit on one aircraft carrier, or how technologically advanced submarines are. its fascinating shit. and its powerful shit too.
not to mention the special forces of each branch of military. those are some skilled fuckers, and they put in a lot of work behind the scenes that never gets mentioned in the news.
we are one of the countries that has nuclear weapons and can force other countries to NOT have them. we wouldnt even have to physically send people out to the other countries if we wanted, but unfortunately that is deemed immoral for some reason. so instead we spend assloads on manned ships/planes/vehicles/weapons and go there to do the dirty work by hand.
war is a part of life, as can be seen not only in the present, but in the past all the way back as far as recorded history goes. even animals fight each other for mates and territory, and for some reason people tend to think theyre pure and free of the 'immorality' that humans express.
its comforting to know that i can live here and never have to experience what we do to other countries. would you like it if all the sudden america was being attacked from all directions and there was nothing we could do about it? i dont think so. i would rather be top dog than be the top dogs bitch.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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well, if america bothers you so much, why are you still here?

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Tchan909 said: I would say that the use of military force on Libya is actually not a bad idea. It's only questionable because of the very bad idea, the consequences of which we still live with, of invading Iraq eight years ago.
I agree completely about the military-industrial complex, and I'd say that Iraq is the archetypal example of its abuses. But knocking Gaddhafi out of Libya is actually a pretty humanitarian, responsible thing to do.

yeah, i'm not against taking out Gaddhafi. i was only commenting on how interesting this particular piece of newspeak is. i wasn't even trying to make some huge "to-do" about the whole military industrial complex.
Sammy over reacted a bit but that's a typical naive american response and one i've come to expect when discussing things of this nature.
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SamuelLJackson said: well, if america bothers you so much, why are you still here?

oh right, because its a nice place to live.
are you reading from a script?
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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gerryjarcia said: When Obama talked about Americas involvement in the conflict (we just started bombing Libya for those of you not following the news)
uh, we aren't dropping any bombs, it was the french(for those of you misinterpreting the news)
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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i believe he is. he is being conceited... he has nothing else to believe but the standard. without identity, he has nothing. so he must conform to the will of the people in influence, to sustain his point of view.
oh and that clinton lady used the phrase "unique capabilities" as well.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: dynomite]
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gerryjarcia said: When Obama talked about Americas involvement in the conflict (we just started bombing Libya for those of you not following the news)
uh, we aren't dropping any bombs, it was the french(for those of you misinterpreting the news)
hmmm....is a missile a bomb? because if so we just launched 110 of 'em at targets inside Libya. but yeah man, i just made this shit up 
"In initial United Nations-authorized action against Libyan military targets, thus far French jets have struck military targets inside Libya and about 110 Tomahawk missiles have been fired from U.S. and British ships against air defense systems."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20045022-503543.html
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14149135 - 03/19/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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whatever. if you guys wanna complain about the place you live willingly ill just sit back and enjoy it while you guys live in a self-imposed state of misery over the current state of things.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: akira_akuma]
#14149137 - 03/19/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This administration loves sandwiching words together like that.
My favorite one is "saved or created" when referring to the effect the stimulus package had on jobs.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: akira_akuma]
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i think it is possible that us getting involved will look negatively to the rest of the world. It will look like we are trying to control the middle east.
but gandaffi has gone to far.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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gerryjarcia said: When Obama talked about Americas involvement in the conflict (we just started bombing Libya for those of you not following the news)
uh, we aren't dropping any bombs, it was the french(for those of you misinterpreting the news)
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gerryjarcia said: When Obama talked about Americas involvement in the conflict (we just started bombing Libya for those of you not following the news)
uh, we aren't dropping any bombs, it was the french(for those of you misinterpreting the news)
hmmm....is a missile a bomb? because if so we just launched 110 of 'em at targets inside Libya. but yeah man, i just made this shit up 
"In initial United Nations-authorized action against Libyan military targets, thus far French jets have struck military targets inside Libya and about 110 Tomahawk missiles have been fired from U.S. and British ships against air defense systems."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20045022-503543.html
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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gerryjarcia said: When Obama talked about Americas involvement in the conflict (we just started bombing Libya for those of you not following the news)
uh, we aren't dropping any bombs, it was the french(for those of you misinterpreting the news)
hmmm....is a missile a bomb? because if so we just launched 110 of 'em at targets inside Libya. but yeah man, i just made this shit up 
"In initial United Nations-authorized action against Libyan military targets, thus far French jets have struck military targets inside Libya and about 110 Tomahawk missiles have been fired from U.S. and British ships against air defense systems."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20045022-503543.html
my bad, haven't checked the news in a couple hours
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SamuelLJackson said: whatever. if you guys wanna complain about the place you live willingly ill just sit back and enjoy it while you guys live in a self-imposed state of misery over the current state of things.
it's cool bro. what we are doing is called critical thinking. i know those sound like two really big words that might scare the shit out of you but for some of us we actually try to pay attention to what the fuck is actually being said by our government.
but hey man, why don't you crack open another cold one and turn on Fox News. One mans disaster is another mans entertainment, right?
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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SamuelLJackson said: whatever. if you guys wanna complain about the place you live willingly ill just sit back and enjoy it while you guys live in a self-imposed state of misery over the current state of things.
it's cool bro. what we are doing is called critical thinking. i know those sound like two really big words that might scare the shit out of you but for some of us we actually try to pay attention to what the fuck is actually being said by our government.
but hey man, why don't you crack open another cold one and turn on Fox News. One mans disaster is another mans entertainment, right?
sorry. i forgot only people against having a large military did critical thinking. and i forgot that everyone who doesnt mind having a large military watches fox news and drinks beer all day.
but i will agree with the "one mans disaster being one mans entertainment" comment. ever heard "vicarious" by tool? if not, you should. and if it isnt your type of music, you should at least read the lyrics.
we all feel the same, so why cant we just admit it?
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self-imposed state of misery.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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We need a large military. We need to be the guys no one fucks with. Why can't people realize that they live the lives they do because of Americas ability to defend itself so well?
Give war a chance.
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SamuelLJackson said: its unique because we can shit all over every other country when it comes to military power.
have you ever been inside of a large military base and seen the shit we have there? now imagine it doubled, because half of the stuff that is normally at each base is out on duty or patrol somewhere in the world.
i dont mind it at all. i could walk around a naval base all day and just be stupified at how huge the ships are, how many planes fit on one aircraft carrier, or how technologically advanced submarines are. its fascinating shit. and its powerful shit too.
not to mention the special forces of each branch of military. those are some skilled fuckers, and they put in a lot of work behind the scenes that never gets mentioned in the news.
we are one of the countries that has nuclear weapons and can force other countries to NOT have them. we wouldnt even have to physically send people out to the other countries if we wanted, but unfortunately that is deemed immoral for some reason. so instead we spend assloads on manned ships/planes/vehicles/weapons and go there to do the dirty work by hand.
war is a part of life, as can be seen not only in the present, but in the past all the way back as far as recorded history goes. even animals fight each other for mates and territory, and for some reason people tend to think theyre pure and free of the 'immorality' that humans express.
its comforting to know that i can live here and never have to experience what we do to other countries. would you like it if all the sudden america was being attacked from all directions and there was nothing we could do about it? i dont think so. i would rather be top dog than be the top dogs bitch.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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Hey, as long as we are talking about Obama and Gadaffi, can someone explain this to me?
From Gaddafi:
"To our son, his excellency, Mr Barack Hussein Obama. I have said to you before, that even if Libya and the United States of America enter into a war, god forbid, you will always remain a son. Your picture will not be changed."
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to live... is it to be so awesome?
oh it must be... look how free i am.
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SamuelLJackson said: whatever. if you guys wanna complain about the place you live willingly ill just sit back and enjoy it while you guys live in a self-imposed state of misery over the current state of things.
it's cool bro. what we are doing is called critical thinking. i know those sound like two really big words that might scare the shit out of you but for some of us we actually try to pay attention to what the fuck is actually being said by our government.
but hey man, why don't you crack open another cold one and turn on Fox News. One mans disaster is another mans entertainment, right?
hahahahha get that douchebag GJ! Samuel is a typical, I say and do what I want no matter how it effects others. I had not had a ban or warning in nearly a year till he reported a post I made. Snitch, Bitch, Eyes closed Sam Jax! K I feel better. In regards to BO ...lol... Ya he quite the talker, myself being a dirty loan officer for almost a decade I can appriciate the "soft language". Most humans fall right into line, I get more free shit via "soft language" and "reverse intimidation" from cell carriers to pizza places to the electric company. Point is, unfortunately, we can never truly know "truth" so everyones vision is tainted. As humans we all have motives. I am glad they are dictator free, however sad the illuminates chalk up another one. I have a house in the hills, imma wat hin n waitin lol. Bc
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qft
you are starting to sound like deadhearts now. dont do this to yourself.
But that means you have to think logically....
We wait for youre immature Lulz and emoticons possibly even a witty remark
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gerryjarcia said: So i was watching the news a minute ago and Obama was speaking from Brazil about the situation in Libya. When Obama talked about Americas involvement in the conflict (we just started bombing Libya for those of you not following the news) he used the phrase "unique capabilities" when discussing why we are involving ourselves in the Libyan conflict.
Did anyone else notice this phrasing? I'm guessing that by "unique capabilities" he is referring to our massive military industrial complex that has helped to bankrupt America over the last 30 years.
I'm not sure what is so "unique" about squandering our valuable resources on bombs, tanks, bullets, drones, and other machines of war.
Anyone else fuckin' despise newspeak?
My point exactly. From a strategic and financial standpoint, either the USA should deduce the military or take over the world. They seem to do neither.
But the military isn't shit compared to Medical and Medicare. Those cost rates are exponential, with no end in sight. =( If it is anything like the housing boom and crash, soon we will just have no medical federal programs.
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SamuelLJackson said: sorry. i forgot only people against having a large military did critical thinking. and i forgot that everyone who doesnt mind having a large military watches fox news and drinks beer all day.
qft
you are starting to sound like deadhearts now. dont do this to yourself.
i don't know enough about deadhearts to take that comment in an offensive way. i know i'm playing into the stereotypes here but it's hard not to when you bring up the arguments you do.
i mean come on Sam, can't you at least give me an original thought on the whole military industrial complex being a great thing? you're only parroting words spoken a million times before.
you're starting to sound like Limbaugh, don't do this to yourself.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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lets not fight. lets agree to disagree.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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everything i post on these forums is my own opinion, in my own words.
ive never seen rush limbaughs show or heard him comment on anything. maybe he and i share some opinions.
i wouldnt doubt it, theres fucking 6 billion people on earth. im sure its all been said and done before.
i can say the exact same thing you just said, only with respect to you.
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SamuelLJackson said: everything i post on these forums is my own opinion, in my own words.
ive never seen rush limbaughs show or heard him comment on anything. maybe he and i share some opinions.
i wouldnt doubt it, theres fucking 6 billion people on earth. im sure its all been said and done before.
i can say the exact same thing you just said, only with respect to you.
right on.
sorry i chumped out and went for the "beer slurping, fox news watchin', America, fuck yeah!" low blows. that was cheap of me.
you're probably a legit human. a legit human i just happen to disagree with
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War is natural, war is good. War for peace.
War at home.


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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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SamuelLJackson said: everything i post on these forums is my own opinion, in my own words.
ive never seen rush limbaughs show or heard him comment on anything. maybe he and i share some opinions.
i wouldnt doubt it, theres fucking 6 billion people on earth. im sure its all been said and done before.
i can say the exact same thing you just said, only with respect to you.
right on.
sorry i chumped out and went for the "beer slurping, fox news watchin', America, fuck yeah!" low blows. that was cheap of me.
you're probably a legit human. a legit human i just happen to disagree with 
its ok. im sorry as well, i admittedly got a bit argumentative too.
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history does show us that economies boom right after war.
this could be the idea behind all this.
obummer needs his own war to boost the economy
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: rackem]
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rackem said: history does show us that economies boom right after war.
this could be the idea behind all this.
obummer needs his own war to boost the economy
War is not boosting our economy. War have been at war for years.
The money that comes back from war stays at the top. Greed all the way.
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gerryjarcia said:
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SamuelLJackson said: everything i post on these forums is my own opinion, in my own words.
ive never seen rush limbaughs show or heard him comment on anything. maybe he and i share some opinions.
i wouldnt doubt it, theres fucking 6 billion people on earth. im sure its all been said and done before.
i can say the exact same thing you just said, only with respect to you.
right on.
sorry i chumped out and went for the "beer slurping, fox news watchin', America, fuck yeah!" low blows. that was cheap of me.
you're probably a legit human. a legit human i just happen to disagree with 
its ok. im sorry as well, i admittedly got a bit argumentative too.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: DeadHearts]
#14149297 - 03/19/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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after war.. not during
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: rackem]
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rackem said: after war.. not during
Maybe. But do you really see an ending to the "war on terror" shit is just getting worse. And at this state of the government do you really think our economy could be improved? Like I said the money we get from on this war shit stays at the top. The people get the table scraps.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: rackem]
#14149311 - 03/19/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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rackem said: history does show us that economies boom right after war.
this could be the idea behind all this.
obummer needs his own war to boost the economy
he already had one going, the war on drugs.
maybe he should have just ended that one, instead of starting a new one.
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rackem said: history does show us that economies boom right after war.
this could be the idea behind all this.
obummer needs his own war to boost the economy
he already had one going, the war on drugs.
maybe he should have just ended that one, instead of starting a new one. 
The war on drugs is just a routine government ploy for cash money. Obama is just another face for the people. Fuck him.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: DeadHearts]
#14149325 - 03/19/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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nah, war on terror is really taking the form like the war on drugs
if countries went back to the way it was before the free trade act, yes, i think it could be improved. but im not in a position to say if its gone to far or not.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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gerryjarcia said: I'm guessing that by "unique capabilities" he is referring to our massive military industrial complex that has helped to bankrupt America over the last 30 years.
I'm guessing that you're unaware that it's social programs like welfare that pays lazy people not to work and subsidies for business and corporations that pay people not to do anything and farm subsidies that go to pay huge conglomerates to not grow certain crops or our foreign aid to the hundred or so countries we're paying to be our friends
I mean shit, when it comes down to it, you're the one bankrupting us because you've not doen anything about congress' wild spending habits other than blame it on a small part of the problem
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: rackem]
#14149371 - 03/19/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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rackem said: obummer needs his own war to boost the economy
war is peace poverty is wealth

why arent the hippies criticizing this tool and saying violence isnt the answer, in fact why are so many peaceful hippies insisting we get involved in this crap in the middle east, because it's the people of those countries that want freedom and democracy? it's their war, let them fight it
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14149426 - 03/19/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh thats right i forgot
debt is money.
cause nobody deserves to get hurt : sarcasm:
but 110 tomahawk missle launch in a matter of seconds but they still dont know what the word balance means.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: Prisoner#1]
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gerryjarcia said: I'm guessing that by "unique capabilities" he is referring to our massive military industrial complex that has helped to bankrupt America over the last 30 years.
I'm guessing that you're unaware that it's social programs like welfare that pays lazy people not to work and subsidies for business and corporations that pay people not to do anything and farm subsidies that go to pay huge conglomerates to not grow certain crops or our foreign aid to the hundred or so countries we're paying to be our friends
I mean shit, when it comes down to it, you're the one bankrupting us because you've not doen anything about congress' wild spending habits other than blame it on a small part of the problem
no Pris, i "know" all of the things you stated. that's why when i referred to the MIC i specifically said it helped to bankrupt us. i know that the overblown military isn't the only thing bankrupting us, but it is a large part of the problem.
i didn't start this thread to be about ALL the shit wrong with America. in fact, i'm not really into "america bashing". i just tend to call a spade a spade.
are there even any hippies left in America? i haven't seen one in years.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14149452 - 03/19/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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gerryjarcia said: no Pris, i "know" all of the things you stated. that's why when i referred to the MIC i specifically said it helped to bankrupt us. i know that the overblown military isn't the only thing bankrupting us, but it is a large part of the problem.
the military is a small part of the problem, welfare exceeds military spending, the other programs more than double it and that's with these retarded wars going on, the large part of the problem is the american people for being so apathetic and letting the legislative branch do what ever the fuck they please
it's congress that's helped bankrupt us and it has nothing to do with military spending, this is no more than a kneejerk response to something you disagree with, it has no foundation in fact
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14149493 - 03/19/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: the military is a small part of the problem, welfare exceeds military spending, the other programs more than double it and that's with these retarded wars going on, the large part of the problem is the american people for being so apathetic and letting the legislative branch do what ever the fuck they please
i agree with the apathy of the American people (self included). the greatest threat America deals with is an existential one. namely, ourselves.
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SamuelLJackson said: its unique because we can shit all over every other country when it comes to military power.
have you ever been inside of a large military base and seen the shit we have there? now imagine it doubled, because half of the stuff that is normally at each base is out on duty or patrol somewhere in the world.
i dont mind it at all. i could walk around a naval base all day and just be stupified at how huge the ships are, how many planes fit on one aircraft carrier, or how technologically advanced submarines are. its fascinating shit. and its powerful shit too.
not to mention the special forces of each branch of military. those are some skilled fuckers, and they put in a lot of work behind the scenes that never gets mentioned in the news.
we are one of the countries that has nuclear weapons and can force other countries to NOT have them. we wouldnt even have to physically send people out to the other countries if we wanted, but unfortunately that is deemed immoral for some reason. so instead we spend assloads on manned ships/planes/vehicles/weapons and go there to do the dirty work by hand.
war is a part of life, as can be seen not only in the present, but in the past all the way back as far as recorded history goes. even animals fight each other for mates and territory, and for some reason people tend to think theyre pure and free of the 'immorality' that humans express.
its comforting to know that i can live here and never have to experience what we do to other countries. would you like it if all the sudden america was being attacked from all directions and there was nothing we could do about it? i dont think so. i would rather be top dog than be the top dogs bitch.
We could be that powerful nation that sets an example by having a non-interventionist foreign policy.
Instead of wasting money building things to kill we could be inventing new technologies to better the world.
If we could just get over religion and move on a ton of wars would never even happen.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: amilibertine]
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SamuelLJackson said: its unique because we can shit all over every other country when it comes to military power.
have you ever been inside of a large military base and seen the shit we have there? now imagine it doubled, because half of the stuff that is normally at each base is out on duty or patrol somewhere in the world.
i dont mind it at all. i could walk around a naval base all day and just be stupified at how huge the ships are, how many planes fit on one aircraft carrier, or how technologically advanced submarines are. its fascinating shit. and its powerful shit too.
not to mention the special forces of each branch of military. those are some skilled fuckers, and they put in a lot of work behind the scenes that never gets mentioned in the news.
we are one of the countries that has nuclear weapons and can force other countries to NOT have them. we wouldnt even have to physically send people out to the other countries if we wanted, but unfortunately that is deemed immoral for some reason. so instead we spend assloads on manned ships/planes/vehicles/weapons and go there to do the dirty work by hand.
war is a part of life, as can be seen not only in the present, but in the past all the way back as far as recorded history goes. even animals fight each other for mates and territory, and for some reason people tend to think theyre pure and free of the 'immorality' that humans express.
its comforting to know that i can live here and never have to experience what we do to other countries. would you like it if all the sudden america was being attacked from all directions and there was nothing we could do about it? i dont think so. i would rather be top dog than be the top dogs bitch.
We could be that powerful nation that sets an example by having a non-interventionist foreign policy.
Instead of wasting money building things to kill we could be inventing new technologies to better the world.
If we could just get over religion and move on a ton of wars would never even happen.
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: amilibertine]
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amilibertine said:
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SamuelLJackson said: its unique because we can shit all over every other country when it comes to military power.
have you ever been inside of a large military base and seen the shit we have there? now imagine it doubled, because half of the stuff that is normally at each base is out on duty or patrol somewhere in the world.
i dont mind it at all. i could walk around a naval base all day and just be stupified at how huge the ships are, how many planes fit on one aircraft carrier, or how technologically advanced submarines are. its fascinating shit. and its powerful shit too.
not to mention the special forces of each branch of military. those are some skilled fuckers, and they put in a lot of work behind the scenes that never gets mentioned in the news.
we are one of the countries that has nuclear weapons and can force other countries to NOT have them. we wouldnt even have to physically send people out to the other countries if we wanted, but unfortunately that is deemed immoral for some reason. so instead we spend assloads on manned ships/planes/vehicles/weapons and go there to do the dirty work by hand.
war is a part of life, as can be seen not only in the present, but in the past all the way back as far as recorded history goes. even animals fight each other for mates and territory, and for some reason people tend to think theyre pure and free of the 'immorality' that humans express.
its comforting to know that i can live here and never have to experience what we do to other countries. would you like it if all the sudden america was being attacked from all directions and there was nothing we could do about it? i dont think so. i would rather be top dog than be the top dogs bitch.
We could be that powerful nation that sets an example by having a non-interventionist foreign policy.
Instead of wasting money building things to kill we could be inventing new technologies to better the world.
If we could just get over religion and move on a ton of wars would never even happen.
hey! i wont stand for that kind of idealistic thinking in this thread. take that shit somewhere else :sarcasm:
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: amilibertine]
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amilibertine said: We could be that powerful nation that sets an example by having a non-interventionist foreign policy.
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Instead of wasting money building things to kill we could be inventing new technologies to better the world.
no... let private corporations develop shit, leave my tax dollars out of it
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Re: Americas "unique capabilities" [Re: gerryjarcia]
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America's problem is simple: the only people who are reliably, consistently involved with policymaking and have the biggest personal stake in it are the wealthy and well-connected. The rest of us are too frightened by one another and too distracted by the horse-and-pony show on TV to properly organize any kind of resistance to the bullshit we end up supporting with our hard work.
Not to mention that the public discourse is managed in such a way that it is very difficult to maintain a consistent stance on issues that are constantly undergoing lexicographic revisions at the hands of the fully co-opted culture of popular political commentary.
This is why America is so conservative on the spectrum of wealthy countries - public discourse is controlled by media moguls, who are in turn controlled by even bigger money, who also have near-total control over politicians' priorities through the system of legalized bribes they've cultivated over the years, and white working class folks are trained to be afraid of black working class folks who are trained to be afraid of Asian working class folks who are all trained to accept their dependency upon the charity of middle-class folks who are trained to be afraid of working-class folks and to worship the ruling classes...
The means of our subjugation are very complex and multifaceted, but the pattern itself is very clear for all to see.
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Wow tchan.... Well put!
@ Pris ... Not trollin bro "the military is a small part of the problem, welfare exceeds military spending, the other programs more than double it....." source??? That tickles me to death!!! fak bc
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Tchan909 said: America's problem is simple: the only people who are reliably, consistently involved with policymaking and have the biggest personal stake in it are the wealthy and well-connected. The rest of us are too frightened by one another and too distracted by the horse-and-pony show on TV to properly organize any kind of resistance to the bullshit we end up supporting with our hard work.
Not to mention that the public discourse is managed in such a way that it is very difficult to maintain a consistent stance on issues that are constantly undergoing lexicographic revisions at the hands of the fully co-opted culture of popular political commentary.
This is why America is so conservative on the spectrum of wealthy countries - public discourse is controlled by media moguls, who are in turn controlled by even bigger money, who also have near-total control over politicians' priorities through the system of legalized bribes they've cultivated over the years, and white working class folks are trained to be afraid of black working class folks who are trained to be afraid of Asian working class folks who are all trained to accept their dependency upon the charity of middle-class folks who are trained to be afraid of working-class folks and to worship the ruling classes...
The means of our subjugation are very complex and multifaceted, but the pattern itself is very clear for all to see.
lucid, as always.
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