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San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip.
#14148183 - 03/19/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I have about a meter long san pedro growin' and it's been inside because of the cold winter, and hasn't gotten much sun for a couple of months.
Lately the sun is shinin' and I was wondering is that the cause of a black spot at the very tip of the cactus?
Should I just leave it alone? It's having fun in the sun right now,
I'm not sure if it's best to leave it alone, or cut that black spot on the tip off?
I want this one to grow and flower eventually, so IDK if cutting it would cause it to stop that?
What do you think is the cause of this black spot? lack of sun??
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14148421 - 03/19/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I harvested my Pedro last year and, as a result, it started branching out. It has been inside all winter like yours, and one of the little branches was getting black at the tip also like yours. However, mine started turning black before I put it outside from its winter dormancy. It was soft to the touch so I went ahead and cut it off.
I'm also curious to hear what other experts say about this.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14148504 - 03/19/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM can you post a picture of the black spot? is it squishy? it could just be a sun burn
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: waixingren]
#14148979 - 03/19/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It sounds like die-back, this is caused in one of 2 ways from what i have learned so far through my experiences and sharing them with people across the net especially on el Shroomery.
1 As dormancy was about to occurr the the cacti still has too much nutrient/water for how much light it is getting.
my solution i live on the 55th paralel north, my dormancy triggered by myself is started at the start of november and ends in april, this is to match the change in amount of sunlight, througout october i reduce the amount of fluid i give each cacti and none of that fluid has nutrients added, the last liquid is at start of november and it is way less than half of a normal in season watering. At the same time i also move away from the full light at my south facing windows gradually into a more shaded area of the room where they still get daylight. Throughout march i do a reverse of this to avoid any splitting after 5 months without water, this is done for my pedros and peyotes
2 almost the opposite, not enough food/liquid to match how much light they are getting,
solution is if they get more than 12 hours bright daylight per day they will want some liquid/nutrients
These problems and solutions are from my experiences this far north on the globe (fucks sake ladies and gentlemen im level with Alaska) anyway you may not need as long a dormancy period as i do.
Also any that have died back it is best to cut off the tip removing all black plant material the soft and crispy depending on which version of dieback you've caused making sure you leave no black, it will grow new limbs, it is best to cut the tip off before the new watering/growing season and then you have the whole new season to grow.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: GGTBod]
#14150514 - 03/19/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info everyone.
The black spot is really small and only at the top, and I tried touching it to see if it was 'squishy and soft', and it's kinda in the middle. 
It feels like it's getting softer, probably as time progresses, but so far seems pretty hardy.
I'll get some pics up by tomorrow, and more detail about the soil I'm using. I guess this could be a sign of a nutrient burn of some sort. Anyway, I got a bunch of thangs I gotta be doin'.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14150842 - 03/19/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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one of my baby cacti started turnin' black @ the tip after my kitty cat nipped the top off and eventually it shriveled up n i had to throw it away
but also i had to keep my cactuses indoors too cuz of the cold, the others are doin' fine tho and its started getting warmer n sunny out so i started leaving them outside during the day time and already i notice them growing a bunch!
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14150928 - 03/19/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Probably sunburn due to coming out of dormancy. This is quite common and hard to prevent. You can lay a white cloth on the tip for several weeks gradually decreasing the time it is on there per day to acclimate the the new growth to the intense light.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: naum]
#14152011 - 03/20/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14152651 - 03/20/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yep, looks identical to the piece I cut off of mine
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: fungivore]
#14152704 - 03/20/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yep, looks identical to the piece I cut off of mine
Did it start branching from where you cut the black spot off?
I plan on keeping this cacti alive for as long as possible, I want it to eventually flower like this

Would cutting cause a disruption from doin' its flowerin' thang?
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14152721 - 03/20/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm thinking it may be sunburn, but I also think the black spot may have formed before putting it out in the sun. So I don't know if it got sun-shocked or not. It's hard to remember thangs of the past when bein' 24/7
I've been using + ~ 10-15% perlite.
I'm not a fan of miracle gro, but I'm a noob to growin' thangs. I know miracle gro isn't the greatest soil, especially for cannabis, but what do you think about it for cacti?
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14153102 - 03/20/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did it start branching from where you cut the black spot off?
I plan on keeping this cacti alive for as long as possible, I want it to eventually flower like this
Would cutting cause a disruption from doin' its flowerin' thang?
I don't know... I only cut it off three days ago. If it doesn't start turning black again, I'm guessing it will form another segment where I cut it. Not sure about flowering either; mine have never flowered.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14153124 - 03/20/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Location plays a huge role in determining whether or not the MG Palm, Citrus, Cactus soil is good.
Here it actually makes a decent base as it is mainly composted forest products, composted rice hulls, perlite, etc. with minimal peat. I still have to screen it to remove huge pieces of bark and add lots of other things. 50/50 screen soil and perlite seems to be a general recommendation and seems to work decently for many.
My mix is constantly evolving but something like this works well for me in containers in zone 9b with ~70-80" of rainfall per year:
35% 2xSifted MG PCC Soil [the in ground version] 10% Vermicast 5% Expanded Coir 15% Turface MVP ~1/4-1/8" 15% Perlite 10% Granite Grit ~1/4-1/8" 5% Granite Grift 1/8-1/16" 5% Crushed Limestone ~1/4-1/8" Gypsum Dash of Ironite
As you can see it is about 50/50 'organic'/'mineral'. So the 50/50 perlite/MG PCC is a good approximation. I use it as my base and adjust using depending on species. Bridgesii almost always get added pumice, expanded shale, or perlite.
Leafy plants that like neutral to slightly alkaline soil also get planted in the same mix with extra organic component.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: naum]
#14153429 - 03/20/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info everyone.
I think I'm just gonna let it do its thang naturally, and not do thangs with it for now, I'll keep an eye on it in the mean time though.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14153914 - 03/20/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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that pic is definitely die back no ifs or butts, sunburn causes blistering which then if servere enough the blisters collapse and lead to rott, this is die back
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: GGTBod]
#14154850 - 03/20/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, I just cut that part off, it's all fresh and green now.
I was hoping for it not to branch off, but I guess I'll see what happens next.
I have another one that I cut and used for certain purposes, and then it branched off and now the two cacti arms are in a weird position. They were growing up straight, but now one of the branches is leaning sideways.
one branch is pretty much vertical and the other one is horizontal making an almost perfect 90 degree angle.
I'm thinking of cutting both of the branches and then replanting them separately, (Like cannabis clones). The branches are small though, about 4-5 inches. Or maybe I'll try tying the one branch up, IDK yet, but it's been rapidly changing, just a few days ago they were sitting straight up.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14154911 - 03/20/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said: Alright, I just cut that part off, it's all fresh and green now.
I was hoping for it not to branch off, but I guess I'll see what happens next.
I have another one that I cut and used for certain purposes, and then it branched off and now the two cacti arms are in a weird position. They were growing up straight, but now one of the branches is leaning sideways.
one branch is pretty much vertical and the other one is horizontal making an almost perfect 90 degree angle.
I'm thinking of cutting both of the branches and then replanting them separately, (Like cannabis clones). The branches are small though, about 4-5 inches. Or maybe I'll try tying the one branch up, IDK yet, but it's been rapidly changing, just a few days ago they were sitting straight up. 
The bit you have cut off, let it dry and plant it and it might even root and then bud.
You're right angle trich sounds great apart from the wierd window space it would take up, you could easy cut the arms off and plant them, I have a 12 year old 4 inch high stump that i use just for this as i know the genetics are potent

here is a pic of it with two young pups, these two are going to go crazy this season.
It used to be a much taller stump but with each bud/cutting i have cut a part of the stump off to act as a root base direct on the food stock of the original stump to be completely buried, as you can see from the pic it is a wide "foodtube"
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: GGTBod]
#14154938 - 03/20/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow that's cool. Nice pic. Yeah I think I'm going to go the same route you went and just use it for growing arms and replanting them. the more the merrier.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14154999 - 03/20/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can you get a pic of it and load it up before you chop it? If the arms are long enough you could cut them into 15cm long pieces and make many cuttings, if you go much smaller than that they can take a long time to root, i read somewhere that you can cut into 2 inch chunks and they will eventually root but i have 2 pieces like this who have been in the soil for over a year now and they have not grown anything yet and i do not remove them from the soil to check incase i damage any fragile root developement
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14157406 - 03/21/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it's been rapidly changing, just a few days ago they were sitting straight up. 
If you're talking about San Pedro this is not a good thing to hear. They shouldn't go flaccid( ) like that and it's an indication something is not right.
Are they getting soft and squishy?
Pictures are needed if you want to save them.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: karode13]
#14159200 - 03/21/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here are pics

I don't think they are soft or squishy
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14159513 - 03/21/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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looks very trippy, has it been getting enough sunlight, it looks a little etoilated (thin stretched growth searching for more light) other than that looks mad, id be tempted to let it grow just to see how crazy it would look once huge but as it reached over the pot it would be hogging sun space my other children would want
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: GGTBod]
#14159516 - 03/21/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it is just thw wieght of the new shoot that has bent the dry flesh of the stump
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: GGTBod]
#14160625 - 03/21/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I see, thanks for checkin it out!
ALSO:
UPDATE on that bigger san pedro:
I chopped off the black spot, and all that was left was fresh green on the top, but now it seems to be trying to have a brownish color forming from the inside..
Is die back trying to form again? I'm getting a little worried
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14160652 - 03/21/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is it in an area with moving air? If the air is still it can lead to rot, a moving air current will help the callus form quicker
How far north are you, are you still in dormancy with it?? If yes give it some liquid and start the new growing season
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: GGTBod]
#14160675 - 03/21/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmm that could be the case, I've brought it inside, and the area it's in might not have much circulated air at times. I think I'll just chop the part that is turning brown/black and then keep it outside for the sun, and see how that goes.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14160686 - 03/21/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14160701 - 03/21/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm not too far north, and not too far south, i'm more in the middle.
The sun has been shining, and temps have been getting higher lately, but night times may be too cold for san pedro. The weather has been iffy lately, but it seems like it's about time for it to be outside.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14160703 - 03/21/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14160751 - 03/21/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont live in a good enough climate to be outdoors mine always live indoors and I have just ended the dormancy on my pedros but my Lophos have another 10 days left
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14167950 - 03/23/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think they are soft or squishy
I bet the stump is though. The stump they're growing from is rotten, this is very clear in that picture. You should remove those pups, let them callus and pot them up to form their own roots. You risk losing them if you don't.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: karode13]
#14168539 - 03/23/11 06:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said: Here are pics

I don't think they are soft or squishy
I bet the stump is though. The stump they're growing from is rotten, this is very clear in that picture. You should remove those pups, let them callus and pot them up to form their own roots. You risk losing them if you don't.
Thanks,
Also, After I cut those little pups, do I have to wait about a week before re-planting them?
I remember hearing that the cut area should be dry before replanting. Is there truth to that?
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14168562 - 03/23/11 06:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you cut at the join exactly then a week should be more than sufficient. Make sure you don't leave any rotten tissue attached--you should be able just to pull it off of the cut pup carefully.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: naum]
#14168576 - 03/23/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool, thanks for the info. Looks like I'll be cutting them and transplanting them. I'll probably start the cutting tonight, and see how thangs go from there. I'll be sure to update my progress with pics.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14176659 - 03/24/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i cut them thangs, the two arms were going two opposite directions making a 180 degree thang
they were pretty much going horizontal.
i guess i'll wait a week for the cut part to dry (to avoid rot) and replant em and see how thangs go.
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14176817 - 03/24/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think you will end up with two very healthy Pedros
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: GGTBod]
#14178175 - 03/24/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think thats cool tu can cut thangs off of existing cactus and make more cactuses!
i might do that when my pups grow more mature

those are bridgesii ive had these for almost 2 years. but theyre still really small cuz we only get about 6 months of sunlight up here
i used to have 8 but now i only have 7 cuz my damn cat ate one of them
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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: Envix]
#14178696 - 03/24/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is my oldest stump, this was it a couple of years back when the stump was much taller, it is very potent, let the pups grow to decent branches then cut them down take the tips for cuttings (10-15cm long) and eat the middle bit
This was it aged 14-15 years old

Same stump just before xmas just gone

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Re: San Pedro -- Black Spot @ the tip. [Re: GGTBod]
#14181956 - 03/25/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Envix said: i think thats cool tu can cut thangs off of existing cactus and make more cactuses!
i might do that when my pups grow more mature

those are bridgesii ive had these for almost 2 years. but theyre still really small cuz we only get about 6 months of sunlight up here
i used to have 8 but now i only have 7 cuz my damn cat ate one of them 
I think I remember seeing older pics of those cacti thangs, and they seem to have grown a lot more! grows good man.
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GGTBod said: This is my oldest stump, this was it a couple of years back when the stump was much taller, it is very potent, let the pups grow to decent branches then cut them down take the tips for cuttings (10-15cm long) and eat the middle bit
This was it aged 14-15 years old

That's one healthy lookin' branch! feels healthy man
I'm gonna keep my rotten stump and see if it produces more thangs, and build one big happy family. feels family man
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