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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
    #14143150 - 03/18/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I remember an doc over chernobyl where they showed some people who stayed living in the radiation zone and were drunk as they could be.
But they looked like they had no cancer.

If it is true it would be great,but it sounds crazy to me if red wine really would work against radiation.....

also on google there are 11 pages over it.
(words:  Red Wine Fights Radiation Better than Iodine )


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: henk600]
    #14143160 - 03/18/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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henk600 said:
http://paper.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2011-03-16&article=35766

Is this for real or bs?
I really wonder:

Red Wine Fights Radiation Better than Iodine
Professors recommend the home-made remedy tested after the Accident in Chernobyl

Have red wine instead of iodine solutions to curb the effects of radiation. This is the advice of Bulgarian scholars as a response to the panic stirred after the explosions in the Japanese nuclear plant of Fukushima. Although the explosions in Japan happened at quite a distance from Bulgaria, thousands of Bulgarians stormed into drug stores to buy iodine supplements. This is dangerous as it could damage the thyroid gland, the Bulgarian Ministry of Health alarmed.
Red wine consumption is by far a more potent barrier to radiation because of its high tannin concentration, Prof Donka Baykova, deputy chair of the Bulgarian Nutrition Association told the Standart. Red wine is a strong antioxidant and protects against foreign agents, the professor explained. Research carried out by British scientists, evidences that Bulgarian wines are especially beneficial in such cases, according to Prof Baykova.
People in Vratsa, northwestern Bulgaria, are masters in banishing the radiation effects by means of red-wine-drinking and consumption of chili peppers. The recipe has been brought from Russian and Ukrainian natives who came to the town after the accident in Chernobyl, 1986. The home-made anti-radiation vaccine has been imported directly from the affected lands. 

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tannin... couldn't one just drink really strong tea?


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Lennyk]
    #14145507 - 03/18/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

but then you won't get drunk?


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #14147213 - 03/19/11 05:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367684/Nuclear-plant-chief-weeps-Japanese-finally-admit-radiation-leak-kill-people.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Officials admit they may have to bury reactors under concrete - as happened at Chernobyl

Government says it was overwhelmed by the scale of twin disasters

Japanese upgrade accident from level four to five - the same as Three Mile Island

We will rebuild from scratch says Japanese prime minister

Particles spewed from wrecked Fukushima power station arrive in California

Military trucks tackle reactors with tons of water for second day


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367684/Nuclear-plant-chief-weeps-Japanese-finally-admit-radiation-leak-kill-people.html#ixzz1H2pOg1UL
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14147586 - 03/19/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I really hope they bury the reactors in concrete,
i think that would be the best to prevent the radiation spreads to other parts of the world.

I feel sorry for the man who cried on the pic in the link you gave....
It must be terrible to know whats going on and knowing the situation is very bad and you cant barely solve that problem.
That must be real hard to live with.

My respect goes out for the work they do ,
they letterly set their own lives in scale.
For me they are real heros!
As for the goverment i have other (not so nice)words.......which i shall not say here.

My only hope is that this dont get worster and my heart goes out for the victims of this situation.
May the gods be with us,i pray for all of you and i really hope it helps a bit.


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: henk600]
    #14147678 - 03/19/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How much radioactive material is there? What if these rods or whatever melt and form a single pool of molten radioactive stuff the mass of which is above the critical mass?


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
    #14147777 - 03/19/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

A few thoughts, in response to some of the recent posts in this thread:
  • Red wine is not an effective antidote to radiation. Nor is wodka, or getting drunk in general. The fact that you can see seemingly merry people living near the Chernnobyl plant does not support any such claim. The happy people you see in the documentaries are the ones that have survive until now; you can't see the ones that died due to cancer. The fact that not everybody has died in the immediate area furthermore illustrates that radiation is a hit and miss murderer: you never know if and when you'll suffer ill effects; you can only be sure that the chances of something unpleasant happening will rise as your exposure to radiation rises.
  • The Japanese government seems to have done a really astounding job in handling this emergency, especially given the circumstances. I honestly can't understand the people who think the Japanese government has failed in this respect, imo such an opinion shows an utter disrespect for the technical complexity of a nuclear accident and the socio-political complexity of executing an effective emergency response effort. If crucial information has been withheld, which is usually the single worst (and often the only relevant) mistake in such a situation, which we may only find out after months or years if this has happened, then it is most likely that the plant owner (Tepco) is responsible for that and not the Japanese government. It's simply too soon to blame anybody, but the way things look right now, I applaud the Japanese government for their sense of realism, their relative openness (considering what Japanese culture is like) and their swift response on developments. Does that mean they are flawless? No. But again, considering the circumstances, it seems they have done a stellar job so far.
  • The total amount of radioactive material still stored in the reactors and the spent fuel ponds is enough to create a huge motherfucking worldwide nuclear disaster. That won't happen, even though things might still turn for the worse; we're not out of the woods yet. A criticality incident in which nuclear fuel melts and recombines in such a way that it is able to sustain a chain reaction is one of the worries in relation to the spent fuel ponds. However, there are several stages before such an accident, and it seems very unlikely to me that a criticality incident is to occur, given the fact that the operators are literally on top of this. Nevertheless, overheating of the fuel elements will also potentially emit large amounts of radioactivity, so even if a criticality incident does not occur, things might remain worrying for a long time, or even become worse yet. However, it is important to realize that even a criticality incident will not lead to an actual nuclear explosion. A nuclear bomb does not assemble itself; the resulting 'core' of molten material would be far too inefficient for an actual explosion. Things would become extremely hot though, and radiation levels would soar locally, making it practically impossible to go near the site in order to cool things down. So it is an extremely undesirable effect in any case.
  • The current status of the plant is that AC power appears not to have been connected to the cooling systems yet; as I understand, an AC cable has been rolled out to the plant, but connections must still be made to the appropriate cooling systems. Simply put, this involves laying out cables in the immediate vicinity of the affected reactors, which is hazardous and difficult work as a result of the explosions at the plant. This takes some time, but I expect that cooling systems might come online in the following hours. It is then to be hoped that they are more or less operational and unaffected by the tsunami and explosions, but I'm fairly sure that there will be some irregularities in getting the cooling systems online.

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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14147865 - 03/19/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Does high radiation affect electronics? If it doesnt why not send a robot inside. If it does we are fucked :tinfoil:


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
    #14147906 - 03/19/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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mellowparty said:
Does high radiation affect electronics? If it doesnt why not send a robot inside.



Yes, especially silicon-based semiconductors. Vacuum tube electronics tend to be more resistant. Check out the robots that were used in the Chernobyl accident to scoop the graphite off the reactor building roof; they all broke down or went haywire within a short period of time.

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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14147963 - 03/19/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Would a living being experience the negative effects of high intensity radiation immediately or with a certain delay?

Like if I decide to go inside the reactor core and hook up some cable or whatever am I going to get immediately dizzy and sick (assuming heat is not a problem)?


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
    #14147970 - 03/19/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

mellowparty said:
Would a living being experience the negative effects of high intensity radiation immediately or with a certain delay?

Like if I decide to go inside the reactor core and hook up some cable or whatever am I going to get immediately dizzy and sick (assuming heat is not a problem)?



With proper protection - workers at chernobyl could only be within the vicinity of the core for 40-50 seconds before they had to take another break.

(most of them died anyways)

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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
    #14147982 - 03/19/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lmao bagger 288!

that things sick

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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: shroomiin]
    #14148002 - 03/19/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i dedicate this post to koraks for bringing alot of clarity to the confusion, fearmongering and general disposition of the japanquake incident
:strokebeard2: :dancingshroom: :congrats:


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: shroomiin]
    #14148061 - 03/19/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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shroomiin said:
lmao bagger 288!

that things sick



:awelol:

wtf is it?


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
    #14148101 - 03/19/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14148118 - 03/19/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

that doesnt answer my question :lol:


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
    #14148168 - 03/19/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

@BoxyBrown: thanks m8, glad I can return something to the community once in a while :thumbup:

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Would a living being experience the negative effects of high intensity radiation immediately or with a certain delay?



Both. At high doses (> 250mSv), radiation sickness occurs. Immediate effects are a drop in white blood cells, which will lead to immune deficiencies within the next few days. If it's a one-time exposure, white blood cell count should return to normal within a few days, and symptoms are limited. At really high doses (> 1000mSv), damage to the bone marrow occurs as well as to any other dividing cells. This results in gastrointestinal complaints, headaches, loss of hair, and in severe cases rejection of tissues such as skin (there are really horrific images of Chernobyl firefighters). The particularly severe effects of radiation sickness tend to occur only after a few days. In the Chernobyl disaster, those who received high doses initially complained of sickness and many of them vomited. Then after a few hours they would feel better, which lasted a couple of days. Then after those deceptively uneventful days, their situation would deteriorate, often resulting in death within a few days or weeks, depending on the exact dosage received. Doses in the range of 1000-3000mSv can be survived, but the risk of death is very real. Above 5000mSv, you're screwed either way and can only hope for a quick death (which is unlikely if not assisted; death usually only occurs after a minimum of a few days).

The long-term effects are a heightened risk of contracting cancer, in particular cancer of the skin, thyroid, intestine and lungs, as well as leukemia= (depending on the type and location of exposure). A one-time exposure of up to about 400mSv (which is pretty severe!) oddly enough results in only a slightly increased risk of developing cancer over the total life time. This suggests that in terms of cancer, especially chronic exposure poses a real risk.

So sending people into a radioactive zone such as at the Fukushima plant to fix things need not necessarily lead to certain death, either immediately or in the long run. However, both the risks of developing cancer and the severity of radiation sickness increase with the dose received. We know that the radiation levels at the Fukushima plant are variable due to leaks and purposeful venting of radioactive steam, and that in some places and moments, radiation levels have been so high that even brief exposure is seriously dangerous (up to 1000mSv per hour). Therefore, I'm not too optimistic about the fate of some of the 'Fukushima 50' (in reality about 150-200 workers who work in the area in shifts), some of whom are in my opinion highly likely to have received accumulated doses over the past week that significantly exceed the 250mSv limit imposed by the Japanese authorities. I'm not aware of any reports of workers exhibiting signs of radiation sickness, but I'm pretty confident that cases have been occurring. I expect reports thereof to be released in the following weeks or months.

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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
    #14148190 - 03/19/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It's crazy how closely radiation poisoning symptoms match up with amatoxin poisoning.  Especially the couple day false recovery followed by organ failure.


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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: amilibertine]
    #14148219 - 03/19/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, that occurred to me as well. But note that most of the symptoms are pretty generic, and organ failure often/usually involves a delay, so it makes sense in this instance as well.

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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mellowparty]
    #14148223 - 03/19/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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that doesnt answer my question :lol:




What was the question again?

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