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I dont quite understand why we should help Japan
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I have compassion for people however,
Japan is a developed rich nation. I could understand helping Haiti because they are a poor country living in mud huts, but shouldn't Japan be able to help themselves?

Did Japan send us aid during Katrina, how about the disaster in the gulf?
Sometimes it seems like alot of people jump on bandwagon donating, because they want to look like compassionate caring people, but does Japan really need the money compared to some other charitable causes?
Really, what am I missing here?
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143108 - 03/18/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143118 - 03/18/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was wondering this myself, why do they need any help at all there are a hundred other causes out there right now that anyone could be donating money to instead of the redcross.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143131 - 03/18/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pretty sure most Hatians don't live in mud huts brah.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143175 - 03/18/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think its great that different countries throughout the world are willing to help one another in times of need... Never before in history have nations ever shown such care for one another.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14143177 - 03/18/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ifoundwaldo said: I think Japan did donate to help with Katrina relief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
duely noted; however, thats a fraction of what we will do for them. I doubt japanese movie stars urged their people to donate, I doubt they ran huge fundraisers at large coliseums, so on, so fourth.
I cant count how many hipsters in my town had to make it apparent how cutting edge and compassionate they are for donating to Japan. But my question is, aren't there even more destitute worse off countries/causes in need? How come these people never rise up and donate unless everyone else/ the media is telling them to? Quote:
Mad_Larkin said: Pretty sure most Hatians don't live in mud huts brah.
ok, brah.

Also, im not trying to start a poo flinging match right now. The original post is a real question.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143196 - 03/18/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Be mad at the hipsters- not at Japan. 
Japan can use all the money they can get. There is a radiation leak now- on top of earthquakes and tsunamis.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14143206 - 03/18/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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because we are all human and we should help eachother.
wut happens when we have a massive chaos like the one stated. youd want help from anybody as well. give a helping hand to make the world a better place rather than make the world shittier. its allready shitty enough.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14143208 - 03/18/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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im not mad at anybody, including Japan. My question was, does Japan really need the help? Sure, they can use all the money they can get. Then again, so can we. just take a drive through the projects
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143214 - 03/18/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sure they can handle it on themselves - but if others assistance will save lives and bring the state of things back to normalcy for the people over there more quickly than why not?
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143215 - 03/18/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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tripp23 said: because we are all human and we should help eachother.
your right; however, you are skirting the questions at hand.Quote:
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But my question is, aren't there even more destitute worse off countries/causes in need? How come these people never rise up and donate unless everyone else/ the media is telling them to?
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: tripp23]
#14143218 - 03/18/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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tripp23 said: wut happens when we have a massive chaos like the one stated. youd want help from anybody as well.
this for sure.
What if we had a huge crisis while our economy is in the shitter? Are we undeserving of help because we are have such a big economy?
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143246 - 03/18/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ifoundwaldo said:
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tripp23 said: wut happens when we have a massive chaos like the one stated. youd want help from anybody as well.
this for sure.
What if we had a huge crisis while our economy is in the shitter? Are we undeserving of help because we are have such a big economy?
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danielx said: aren't there even more destitute worse off countries/causes in need?
thats all im saying ^
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143253 - 03/18/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its not like they couldn't use our help but why does everyone get all gung ho about donating to widely publicized disasters? The equivalent of haiti's quake deathtoll happens every 10 days, why do the mass's only worry about these singular events when theres people continually living in conditions far worse then the people of Japan.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14143263 - 03/18/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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^ precisely. Because its the hip thing to do, it makes people feel better about themselves.
Personally, ill buy a homeless man a meal on the street corner before I will donate to Japan. thats just me though.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143267 - 03/18/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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danielx said:
Mad_Larkin said: Pretty sure most Hatians don't live in mud huts brah.
ok, brah.

Also, im not trying to start a poo flinging match right now. The original post is a real question.
It's all about concrete blocks and corrugated iron brah.

You're right though. People jump on the bandwagon with donations and shit. Japan is probably one of the MOST prepared countries for the event of an earthquake.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14143284 - 03/18/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I fail to see what is wrong with helping Japan by sending money to them?? I watch the news everyday and it is a bummer to see what is happening to Japan. If I feel like donating money to help the cause/people effected by it and doing this makes the helplessness feeling lessen then I don't see the harm in it.
Being altruistic is an American quality, we like to donate money to help causes. I am sorry that you deem this disaster not to be worthy of donating money to just because Japan is modern country. I on the other hand am proud to donate money (that I can spare I'm not wealthy) and it makes me proud that Americans care enough to help and usually are the ones in the world that respond to crises like these. When the world turns to shit you know people look to us for help.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143321 - 03/18/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_public_debt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
Aside from that situations like this aren't "What have they done for me?" type situations. Katrina wrecked a city. The earthquake and tsumai wrecked their whole country. They're really not even comparable. This will probably end up being the worst natural disaster any of us ever see. Imagine how fucking insane it would have been if something of the same magnitude happened to an underdeveloped country.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: jewunit]
#14143340 - 03/18/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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jewunit said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_public_debt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
Aside from that situations like this aren't "What have they done for me?" type situations. Katrina wrecked a city. The earthquake and tsumai wrecked their whole country. They're really not even comparable. This will probably end up being the worst natural disaster any of us ever see. Imagine how fucking insane it would have been if something of the same magnitude happened to an underdeveloped country.
Its bad but the tsunami in 2004 was FAR worse... over 200,000 people died compared to 10k or so..
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: twighead]
#14143346 - 03/18/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah I suppose that was a gross exaggeration. Sri Lanka isn't exactly setting standards for building safety either though. The actual earthquake is comparable, the death toll won't be.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143369 - 03/18/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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danielx said:I cant count how many hipsters in my town had to make it apparent how cutting edge and compassionate they are for donating to Japan.
So if most people are donating and you don't think Japan needs it, I'd say you're being the hipster? 
You're right though pretty much, but who cares how people spend their money. People give money to all kinds of causes all of the world, you just don't hear about it usually unless a disaster like this happens.
Personally, I think the way things are in America right now it's questionable whether we (the government) should give ANYONE money through normal foreign aid. If we cut that spending out of our budget we would be in a much better position to help people who are afflicted with these natural disasters.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: jewunit]
#14143511 - 03/18/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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jewunit said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_public_debt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
Aside from that situations like this aren't "What have they done for me?" type situations. Katrina wrecked a city. The earthquake and tsumai wrecked their whole country. They're really not even comparable. This will probably end up being the worst natural disaster any of us ever see. Imagine how fucking insane it would have been if something of the same magnitude happened to an underdeveloped country.
JUst did some number comparisons and it does appear as if this is 4-5 times "worse" than Katrina in terms of numerical data so far.
Gotta remember Katrina didn't only affect New Orleans.
This event sucks though; hopefully things get better quick.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: danielx]
#14143549 - 03/18/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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danielx said: I have compassion for people however,
Japan is a developed rich nation. I could understand helping Haiti because they are a poor country living in mud huts, but shouldn't Japan be able to help themselves?

Did Japan send us aid during Katrina, how about the disaster in the gulf?
Sometimes it seems like alot of people jump on bandwagon donating, because they want to look like compassionate caring people, but does Japan really need the money compared to some other charitable causes?
Really, what am I missing here? 
Imagine if we were the human race instead of claimed countries and ridicilous borders. How all of our scientific research could be combined, one currency, we could spend our time and resources to colonize other planets. As one we could solve so many problems in this world...
Instead you are selfish. U NO HELP US Y WE HELP U!? . Besides charity gets rich from us, how can we even call it charity when they claim a percentage.
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Re: I dont quite understand why we should help Japan [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14143570 - 03/18/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ifoundwaldo said: I think Japan did donate to help with Katrina relief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina
thats interesting...i wonder how much of that money actually went to helping the people that were effected by katrina, cause i personally met tons of people during that time that never received any sort of help from the government and were forced to move in with family states away cause there was no way they could support themselves or their family.
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