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Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? * 1
    #14140060 - 03/17/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Seriously...

Yeah, he has some ideas... that pretty much all of us have, and that people have had for decades.. centuries... millenia.

Yet, he speaks slowly, as if it's some new concept, speaks about it as if it's all new... and sells it all at a schmiko, well branded, well marketed PRICE!

I can't help but feel that this is exactly where we go wrong with things... from good idea to dogma, from individual to idol, from sharing to profiteering.  It creates hierarchy.

and he has small eyes.  don't trust a man with small eyes.

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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14140087 - 03/17/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I used to really appreciate him, he seemed to have it right, but he does have some undertones of arrogance and he certainly doesn't know the whole story.


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: circastes]
    #14140127 - 03/17/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I think he probably has some good ideas, and I guess I often get caught on people's OTHER qualities, without realising that PERHAPS, it's a good thing that a mainstream lot of people are starting to see a good teaching through their understanding of the world - fancy graphics and marketed material from their favourite bookstore for $29.95.

I just don't think oneness and hierarchical capitalism really go hand in hand.... and I think humility and making information available for free are far better ideas than acting high and mighty, like a beacon of light.. and only offering enlightenment to those that can afford it...


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14140697 - 03/17/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

He's just telling people what they want to hear
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14141366 - 03/18/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't agree.
I think he has some great ideas and i think he has a very easy way of presenting them.

Throughout all of his material the underlining point has been to just take a break every now and then and remind yourself that you're still here and you're still alive.
We tend to get caught up in the momentum of our thoughts and loose track of our surroundings and loose touch with our bodies.
This is never good.

I don't care if he has small eyes or how he behaves in his personal life. He is sharing his experiences and his personal philosophy with the people.
I think people with ego death experiences can relate to the material and make much more sense of everything hes talking about if not more. I don't think hes been that far. I think he got a good taste and hes intelligent enough to connect some of the dots.

I wish we could get him to eat some mushrooms :lol:


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: jivJaN]
    #14141376 - 03/18/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Haha, perhaps he has?  Or does he personally oppose the ingestion of drugs?

Look, I probably should give him a chance... I have a tendency to immediately feel particularly dubious of someone that is spoken about idolistically.. even those that I hold as personal idols.  As soon as someone starts talking about how great they are, I try to bring up theories of theirs I disagree with and discuss.  People take it as if I completely disagree with that person in all entirity, and then debate turns to argument.

But, I am not paying for his goddamn book.  I'll get it free somehow.  Oh wait.. the g/f has it.  Bingo.  Reading McWilliam's Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do first though, and got a few more things to read.


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14141466 - 03/18/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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and he has small eyes.  don't trust a man with small eyes.






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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14141498 - 03/18/11 03:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ZenXi6 said:
Haha, perhaps he has? 





He said he tried LSD


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14141577 - 03/18/11 04:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ZenXi6 said:
...and then debate turns to argument.


Debates are nothing but exchanges of arguments and corresponding rebuttals.


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14141598 - 03/18/11 04:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I haven't read any of his books. If you want to get an idea of what hes really about without putting too much time into it check out his lecture called : The deepest truth in human existence

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If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: jivJaN]
    #14141622 - 03/18/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Destroying things...


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14141892 - 03/18/11 07:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know too much about Eckhart Tolle to be able to make any judgments.

Besides, whatever it is that you see in life, isn't always as it appears to be, so why give into judgement? Just let things be. He is helping other people relieve suffering through his condensed version of mixed ancient religious texts.

Yea he's selling it, because that is what you do if you want to make a living and be recognized by the masses in today's society.

Cmon' Small eyes? never trust a man with small eyes? LOL

I would suspend judgement, because most things that you see in life that you don't like are just reflections of your self that you despise.

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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14141898 - 03/18/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool?

It's just you. And the few that agree with you too. :wink:


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14142079 - 03/18/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Seriously...

It takes a lot to write and publish a book. I read a lot, and his book has a unique property. Tolle's skillful use of words brings me to the Present in a way that improves on BE HERE NOW (by comparison), because it doesn't require psychedelics to work. BE HERE NOW was my 'bible,' for years before the Bible became my Bible, and continued to work as my 'bible' even after I disbanded my use of The Holy Bible - if you know what I mean. But BE HERE NOW always worked best while I was high on acid, perhaps because that was the level that I originally imprinted the book on.

Any way, Tolle exists in a capitalistic society, not a socialist society, and good work is worth something. I was not, and will not pay $450 to sit with Tolle at some New Age convention, but The Power of Now, and A New Earth are very useful books to a much wider audience than a BE HERE NOW could have reached. I'm sure that those two books outsold in one decade what BE HERE NOW sold in 4 decades.


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #14142142 - 03/18/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I like the way Be Here Now was done better, I read that book while sober and it was every bit as much of an energy bomb on my spiritual progress as a psychedelic experience.

@ OP: I just don't like judging spiritual figures like Tolle the same way you'd judge a professor for his views.  I've never gotten into him and I feel no spiritual attraction towards him, but there's no need to call him a tool, you shouldn't be evaluating him on that level.  That could so easily be him reflecting traits right back at you.

Also, this isn't academia, his teachings don't have to be new.  What really matters is his ability to bring people towards their being and awaken them.  I've never seen anybody better than Mooji at that but Tolle surely has his place in many people's lives.


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: g00ru]
    #14142215 - 03/18/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Judging a person based on physical appearance tells me you could benefit from hearing some of his teachings. Sure all of what he has to say has been said over and over again, he just packages it different and has a wide audience. Finding a ragged copy of his book A New Earth randomly one day was what got me to where I was now. At first I thought "What is this hippy new age bullshit?" then I read it and some of what he said really clicked with me. After that I started exploring different paths and authors and found my way. He must be out there helping people ease their suffering, so I see no wrong with that. And don't judge a book by its cover.

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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: JohnnyZampano]
    #14142218 - 03/18/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

amen


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14142220 - 03/18/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

ZenXi6 said:
Seriously...

Yeah, he has some ideas... that pretty much all of us have, and that people have had for decades.. centuries... millenia.

Yet, he speaks slowly, as if it's some new concept, speaks about it as if it's all new... and sells it all at a schmiko, well branded, well marketed PRICE!

I can't help but feel that this is exactly where we go wrong with things... from good idea to dogma, from individual to idol, from sharing to profiteering.  It creates hierarchy.

and he has small eyes.  don't trust a man with small eyes.

Eckhart Tolle




I think he is probably just re-wording and converting the words he's read into a poetic yet confusing form.

Just IMO.

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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: teknix]
    #14142507 - 03/18/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Any friend of Oprah is a friend of mine.


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: The Whale]
    #14142700 - 03/18/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I even heard Ken Wilber talking smack about Tolle recently, basically saying how a real spiritual teacher isn't gonna be on Oprah, it's funny how spiritual teachers teach to not judge anyone then they go ahead & judge other spiritual teachers. Shit, did i just do it aswell!?

I sometimes think that the only people who can still annoy an enlightened master is another enlightened master. Makes sense.


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