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A couple North GA mushrooms
    #14140374 - 03/17/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Habitat:
#1:Woods on a rotten log #2 Woods terrestrial near a stream

Gills:
#1 orangish, attached #2: cream not attached

Stem:
#1 7cm x 5mm, brown, nearly solid #2 4.5cm x 7mm, gray/brown

Cap:
#1 yellow/orange 3cm hemispherical, #2:brown, darker nipple/edge, 4cm concave up

Print:
#1 gray/dark brown #2 orange/peach/brown

no bruising
#1:

#2:

Prints:


neither has any outstanding features so I'm not even sure where to start figuring out what they are. They don't look particularly appetizing  to me, I'm just curious


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: rhave]
    #14140449 - 03/17/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

#1 could be a Galerina sp. but the print seems off...
maybe Hypholoma?

#2 Entoloma sp.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: St. Chibes]
    #14141570 - 03/18/11 04:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

1) maybe Pholiota
2) Nolanea/Entoloma


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14145484 - 03/18/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Pholiota. I have a massive patch of these coming up in a yard i do landscaping for. There are patches coming up all over the yard under rotting wood.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: phishhead]
    #14147798 - 03/19/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Pholiota. I have a massive patch of these coming up in a yard i do landscaping for. There are patches coming up all over the yard under rotting wood.




I love it when that happens. If you keep the yard hydrated, hundreds come up and it'd make for a great picture.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14148960 - 03/19/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here are a couple more i found yesterday
more Pholiota?

something common found them beside a lake then again today by a stream

These had really cool gills

same thing i think one's just older



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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: rhave]
    #14149101 - 03/19/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What is the third one growing off of?


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Byrain]
    #14150274 - 03/19/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

1 Could be Pholiota. I've had random Pholiota give off dark brown prints.
2 Looks like an Inocybe species.
3 Panus conchatus
4 Looks like Stropharia rugosoannulosa to me.
5 Maybe Agaricus?


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Byrain]
    #14151080 - 03/19/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

a stump, here's another pic that shows it better


Edited by rhave (03/23/11 11:27 PM)


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: rhave]
    #14152175 - 03/20/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

2. Inocybe sp.
3. Laccaria amethystina
4,5. Stropharia rugosoannulata


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: HerbBaker]
    #14152352 - 03/20/11 04:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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2. Inocybe sp.
3. Laccaria amethystina
4,5. Stropharia rugosoannulata



Yeah, you're right Herb, #5 is the underside shot of #4...duh. You're way off on #3 though. It's Panus conchatus. Laccaria don't grow on stumps.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14152468 - 03/20/11 06:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Laccaria don't grow on stumps.





It does if the wood is well decayed and laying on the ground.  The stump in the pic is not decayed well enough for that though.

http://mushroomobserver.org/55389

It is Panus conchatus.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14152754 - 03/20/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wasn't aware that Panus conchatus sometimes had those purple-ish lamellae...
But after checking out Mushroom Observer I see that they can.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: St. Chibes]
    #14152933 - 03/20/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, I see. thank you.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: St. Chibes]
    #14153066 - 03/20/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't think it was Panus conchatus because of the small stature, lack of forking of the gills, and the thin and long (compared to the cap) stem.

I was thinking Chromosera cyanophylla, but, it only grow on conifers.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: vjp]
    #14153574 - 03/20/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I didn't think it was Panus conchatus because of the small stature, lack of forking of the gills, and the thin and long (compared to the cap) stem.

I was thinking Chromosera cyanophylla, but, it only grow on conifers.



:whathesaid:

and judging from the little bark showing I'd say the tree is a Pine


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: The Thinker]
    #14153771 - 03/20/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I didn't think it was Panus conchatus because of the small stature, lack of forking of the gills, and the thin and long (compared to the cap) stem.

I was thinking Chromosera cyanophylla, but, it only grow on conifers.



:whathesaid:

and judging from the little bark showing I'd say the tree is a Pine



Nah. Aside from the cap shape and texture not being right, Chromosera cyanophylla grows from exposed white-rotted coniferous wood.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14155039 - 03/20/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Aside from the cap shape and texture not being right




Whats wrong with the cap shape? Texture appears to be off because they have been baked in the sun.

This says "fading to pale yellow or almost white in age when exposed".

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Chromosera cyanophylla grows from exposed white-rotted coniferous wood




I cant find one example from mushroom observer where exposed white rot is apparent.


Panus conchatus has a very thick stem and is a large mushroom - I dont think its Panus conchatus. Im not very confident that its Chromosera cyanophylla either just thought i would throw out some other possibilities. They are rare on the east coast but the season is right. There are not many options for small mushrooms with purple-lilac decurrent gills growing from wood. :shrug:


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: vjp]
    #14155191 - 03/20/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Whats wrong with the cap shape? Texture appears to be off because they have been baked in the sun.



The cap shape is obviously deeply umbilicate with a obvious "shell" shape on one in the last pic. I'd say the texture is wrong because it's obviously leathery which Panus conchatus is. These appear to be young specimens that aborted probably due to lack of moisture (which Panus conchatus tends to do). That's why the stems seem long.

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This says "fading to pale yellow or almost white in age when exposed".


I didn't say anything about cap color but they DO say "on exposed white-rotted coniferous wood" in the link you provided.


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I cant find one example from mushroom observer where exposed white rot is apparent.



Here. It's the first link that comes up when you Google "Chromosera cyanophylla".


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Panus conchatus has a very thick stem and is a large mushroom


I've seen fully formed specimens that were less than an inch across.


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Edited by Bobzimmer (03/20/11 06:24 PM)


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14158536 - 03/21/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:shrug:
Agree to disagree:cheers:


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: The Thinker]
    #14160442 - 03/21/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:shrug:
Agree to disagree:cheers:



We could, but where's the fun in that?:shrug:

Look at the gill shots again...there are forked gills everywhere.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14160715 - 03/21/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i accidentally put you on ignore bob - i thought you deleted your account. :jointsmile: :banghead:

I pmed him asking if he had a spore print or cap he would be willing to send me.

I have not found Panus conchatus before so you would know better than i. I blew up the picture of the gills and it looks like the forking might be gills that became stuck together when they dried - this could be my bias though. The color of the stems in the last picture looks off for Panus conchatus. In the picture of the gills it looks like the stem would be very small compared to the size of the cap. You said you found fully mature samples where the cap was less than 1 inch - was the stem thickness to cap ratio around the same as that pic? In most of the pictures i found of small samples the stem was almost as wide as the cap.

I wasn't confident it was Chromosera cyanophylla before and now i dont think it is at all. You convinced me that the texture of the cap is off even if it is sun burnt.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: vjp]
    #14160868 - 03/21/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So now you're ignoring me!?! I see how it is...:tongue:

No, the small ones I found had thick stems.

Cool, I hope you get a chance to scope 'em out.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14164845 - 03/22/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

The Thinker said:
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Agree to disagree:cheers:



We could, but where's the fun in that?:shrug:

Look at the gill shots again...there are forked gills everywhere.



There are possibly forked gills, or gills sticking together, no way to tell

They're so dry that cap texture could have been anything really, found a few semi-dry chromosera pics where the glabrous cap and striations are virtually indistinguishable and could easily be on their way to the leathery texture you're talking about

Armillaria root rot is present, occurs on both conifer and deciduous so it's not a telling factor

The stumps bark looks brittle and an awful lot like pine, and exit/entrance holes from boring beetles are everywhere (in NC it is noticeable on just about every single Loblolly Pine stump, not so much deciduous, but after doing research I see that it can happen. His pictures look just like what I see with southern pine beetle)

East coast Chromosera are also known to hold their lilac color longer, especially if growing under bark layer

Stature is very fitting to some of the smaller ones pictures here

It has atypical features of either species whichever way you look at it, and it's bone dry...
Tough to argue ID's with these, could also be something not mentioned


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: The Thinker]
    #14173579 - 03/24/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I thought these would be the easy one with those distinctive gills.  After looking at pictures to me they look like the Chromosera, but i don't have any first hand experience with those or the Panus.  Looking at the dried cap the gills don't appear to be branched, but it's harder to tell than it would've been if they were still fresh-ish, I'm impartial since I'm not sure which species that would suggest.:shrug:


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: rhave]
    #14174106 - 03/24/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's Panus conchatus. No doubt.


Gills look the same including the fading from the stalk outward.

Chromosera cyanophylla grows on bare white-rotted wood. Like in this
pic...

I'm not arguing to be right; I'm trying to show you guys what you're not seeing. The form and size of Panus conchatus is very variable. Don't be fooled.


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14176267 - 03/24/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I haven't seen any pics of panus with the yellowish cap and lilac gills, most of what i've seen the cap matches the gills. That's what made me think chromosera instead.

I wish I had some sort of automatic DNA sequencer where I could just pop an sample of any living thing in and it would tell me what it is. I guess that would remove the incentive to learn all the other characteristics and I wouldn't be able to tell a cat from a cactus without it.


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