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Bobzimmer
Crawlin' Kingsnake


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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: The Thinker]
#14160442 - 03/21/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Thinker said:
 Agree to disagree
We could, but where's the fun in that?
Look at the gill shots again...there are forked gills everywhere.
-------------------- Mr. Mushrooms said: I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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vjp
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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14160715 - 03/21/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i accidentally put you on ignore bob - i thought you deleted your account. 
I pmed him asking if he had a spore print or cap he would be willing to send me.
I have not found Panus conchatus before so you would know better than i. I blew up the picture of the gills and it looks like the forking might be gills that became stuck together when they dried - this could be my bias though. The color of the stems in the last picture looks off for Panus conchatus. In the picture of the gills it looks like the stem would be very small compared to the size of the cap. You said you found fully mature samples where the cap was less than 1 inch - was the stem thickness to cap ratio around the same as that pic? In most of the pictures i found of small samples the stem was almost as wide as the cap.
I wasn't confident it was Chromosera cyanophylla before and now i dont think it is at all. You convinced me that the texture of the cap is off even if it is sun burnt.
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Bobzimmer
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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: vjp]
#14160868 - 03/21/11 07:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So now you're ignoring me!?! I see how it is...
No, the small ones I found had thick stems.
Cool, I hope you get a chance to scope 'em out.
-------------------- Mr. Mushrooms said: I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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The Thinker

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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14164845 - 03/22/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bobzimmer said:
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The Thinker said:
 Agree to disagree
We could, but where's the fun in that?
Look at the gill shots again...there are forked gills everywhere.
There are possibly forked gills, or gills sticking together, no way to tell
They're so dry that cap texture could have been anything really, found a few semi-dry chromosera pics where the glabrous cap and striations are virtually indistinguishable and could easily be on their way to the leathery texture you're talking about
Armillaria root rot is present, occurs on both conifer and deciduous so it's not a telling factor
The stumps bark looks brittle and an awful lot like pine, and exit/entrance holes from boring beetles are everywhere (in NC it is noticeable on just about every single Loblolly Pine stump, not so much deciduous, but after doing research I see that it can happen. His pictures look just like what I see with southern pine beetle)
East coast Chromosera are also known to hold their lilac color longer, especially if growing under bark layer
Stature is very fitting to some of the smaller ones pictures here
It has atypical features of either species whichever way you look at it, and it's bone dry... Tough to argue ID's with these, could also be something not mentioned
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rhave
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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: The Thinker]
#14173579 - 03/24/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I thought these would be the easy one with those distinctive gills. After looking at pictures to me they look like the Chromosera, but i don't have any first hand experience with those or the Panus. Looking at the dried cap the gills don't appear to be branched, but it's harder to tell than it would've been if they were still fresh-ish, I'm impartial since I'm not sure which species that would suggest.
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Bobzimmer
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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: rhave]
#14174106 - 03/24/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's Panus conchatus. No doubt.

Gills look the same including the fading from the stalk outward.
Chromosera cyanophylla grows on bare white-rotted wood. Like in this pic...
I'm not arguing to be right; I'm trying to show you guys what you're not seeing. The form and size of Panus conchatus is very variable. Don't be fooled.
-------------------- Mr. Mushrooms said: I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC. I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi. I really do. I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them. I think they are beautiful. I even dream of them.
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rhave
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Re: A couple North GA mushrooms [Re: Bobzimmer]
#14176267 - 03/24/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I haven't seen any pics of panus with the yellowish cap and lilac gills, most of what i've seen the cap matches the gills. That's what made me think chromosera instead.
I wish I had some sort of automatic DNA sequencer where I could just pop an sample of any living thing in and it would tell me what it is. I guess that would remove the incentive to learn all the other characteristics and I wouldn't be able to tell a cat from a cactus without it.
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