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African Herbman
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Peyote seedlings strange growth 1
#14140179 - 03/17/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My peyote seedlings of about 7 or 8 months of age, still do not resemble peyote at all. They are a cone shape, 8/10 of a centimeter in height, and have several small hairs growing at the tip, no ribs. Seedlings I've seen of about a year old already resemble adults, globular in shape, as opposed to the cone shape, ribs, etc. What is wrong? Is this normal?
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karode13
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Maybe a lack of light is causing them to etiolate(stretch). Got a picture for us?
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: karode13]
#14140366 - 03/17/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will post a picture when my brother finds his camera cable. Also, I am only talking of 2 seedlings, I planted 10 seeds. So maybe I did do something wrong. I used a regular desk lamp, an electric blanket for heat, and soil was a standard cacti mix with perlite. Any tips?
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karode13
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I doubt you've done something wrong because you have Two year old lophs.
I'll just wait for pictures but I'm fairly sure it's just a light issue.
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: karode13]
#14140743 - 03/18/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here are some pictures, although they are not very good ones, but u can see the shape of them.


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karode13
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They do look a bit unhappy don't they. Nothing to really worry about though. After about Six months they tend to grow a little faster and they get that peyote shape. They might come right soon.
What kind of bulb do you have in your lamp?
If your temperatures are warm enough you could put them on a windowsill that receives shaded light.
Also just a tip for taking close up pictures if you didn't already know. If your camera has macro mode, usually indicated by this symbol>>
You should enable it before taking your picture. It will get the subject in focus.
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: karode13]
#14141019 - 03/18/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do not use this camera very often, so that was a much needed tip. I use a compact fluorescent lamp. I live in San Francisco, so the temperatures are not very high and amount of sun isn't particularly impressive. The past weeks and looks like the week or 2 to come will be rainy and cloudy, temp in the 40's and 50's. Maybe when it gets warmer and brighter, I'll move them to a windowsill.
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Can we get a picture of your setup? It would make it easier to see why your getting this.
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: Wagerng]
#14156347 - 03/20/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is how I had it before

But I just started some new seeds a couple days ago, inside an aquarium, with the tank light on top, and electric blanket underneath, so I decided to put the older seedlings in there as well. I also placed them on pots to raise them up closer to the light. the older seedlings are on the left, and on the right you can see the new seeds that i just started, wrapped in the plastic.

Is this new setup better? Should it work for the older seedlings?, is it a good setup for germination? I have 25 seeds this year, and that container you see in the tank right now have only 4 seeds, growing in regular cactus soil with perlite. I plan on doing some experiments this time with different substrates (more sand, added limestone, fertilizer), so it'd be good to know this setup is good, or else, all the work is useless.
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karode13
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No wonder they weren't growing. That first set up is kinda crap. The light was too far away and probably not strong enough.
But your new set up looks good. 
I bet they start to grow normally from now on. What kind of fluorescent bulb is in that fixture?
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: karode13] 1
#14157772 - 03/21/11 02:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Looks like the color of my "plant spectrum" grow bulb. I can tell by that signature purple hue.
My kids are about a month old...

Edited by Microppose (03/21/11 02:55 AM)
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: karode13]
#14160159 - 03/21/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is a 15 watt aquarium light.
Yeah, even I had a feeling my last setup was crap, the light was closer though when I germinated them. I was just too lazy to get a better light and have it all worked out. But now its about time I do. Is the light I'm currently using suitable? The setup is also by the window, so it'll get some indirect sunlight as well. But lately in San Francisco, it's been raining quite a bit, for the last couple weeks, and news say a week or 2 to come. So probably not much assistance from the sun for the new seeds' germination, but definitely as the rain clears away and summer comes, the new seedlings will have sun, and hopefully grow well this year.
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Also, how long do they usually take to start resembling the adult specimens?
Those month old babies look like my year old toddlers, except greener and healthier looking. =( I am shamed.
Edited by African Herbman (03/21/11 08:13 PM)
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I keep mine at room temperature, about 75F. Use an aquarium light like yours, coir/verm substrate (like in a mono tub) with a little bit of added hydrated lime to balance the PH. I spray them once a week and run a humidifier (more so that I don't get stuffy, not for the plants). Open air. They seem to like it for now, but when they get older I will have to discontinue the watering practices I currently use.
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: Microppose]
#14161535 - 03/21/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What is the coir, that you listed in substrate? And verm is vermiculite? What are the differences between vermiculite and perlite?
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Coir is a coconut based plant material with the consistency of soil. People usually use it as a mushroom growing substrate, which is why I had it around. Verm = vermiculite. Vermiculite is a nutritive soil additive that makes the soil more airy and less prone to compaction. Perlite is a non nutritive substance made from expanded rock that also is a soil aerator. Perlite works better for cactus soil than vermiculite does, but I didn't have any handy, so I used vermicuite.
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: Microppose]
#14166497 - 03/22/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks alot for the replies. One last question, about how much do your lophs grow per year? I'd like to have a comparison for how mine are doing.
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Shit man, you could give that a million answers. They grow at different rates in a variety of conditions. In your first year in optimal conditions, I bet you could expect almost a centimeter, then after the first year the growth rate starts to pick up.
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: Microppose]
#14166609 - 03/22/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Azurascender said: Coir is a coconut based plant material with the consistency of soil. People usually use it as a mushroom growing substrate, which is why I had it around. Verm = vermiculite. Vermiculite is a nutritive soil additive that makes the soil more airy and less prone to compaction. Perlite is a non nutritive substance made from expanded rock that also is a soil aerator. Perlite works better for cactus soil than vermiculite does, but I didn't have any handy, so I used vermicuite.
wait...so perlite and verm works as a potting soil for pups? if so, what ratio?
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Re: Peyote seedlings strange growth [Re: piracetam]
#14166714 - 03/22/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually the best recipe according to CactusDan is a mix of cactus soil, sand and perlite I believe. I'm not sure what ratio, but look up "CactusDan soil" or "CactusDan tek" I'm sure you will find something. It may even be on one of the first three pages in this forum.
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