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Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? 1
#14140060 - 03/17/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously...
Yeah, he has some ideas... that pretty much all of us have, and that people have had for decades.. centuries... millenia.
Yet, he speaks slowly, as if it's some new concept, speaks about it as if it's all new... and sells it all at a schmiko, well branded, well marketed PRICE!
I can't help but feel that this is exactly where we go wrong with things... from good idea to dogma, from individual to idol, from sharing to profiteering. It creates hierarchy.
and he has small eyes. don't trust a man with small eyes.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14140087 - 03/17/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I used to really appreciate him, he seemed to have it right, but he does have some undertones of arrogance and he certainly doesn't know the whole story.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: circastes]
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Yeah, I think he probably has some good ideas, and I guess I often get caught on people's OTHER qualities, without realising that PERHAPS, it's a good thing that a mainstream lot of people are starting to see a good teaching through their understanding of the world - fancy graphics and marketed material from their favourite bookstore for $29.95.
I just don't think oneness and hierarchical capitalism really go hand in hand.... and I think humility and making information available for free are far better ideas than acting high and mighty, like a beacon of light.. and only offering enlightenment to those that can afford it...
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14140697 - 03/17/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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He's just telling people what they want to hear
     
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14141366 - 03/18/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't agree. I think he has some great ideas and i think he has a very easy way of presenting them.
Throughout all of his material the underlining point has been to just take a break every now and then and remind yourself that you're still here and you're still alive. We tend to get caught up in the momentum of our thoughts and loose track of our surroundings and loose touch with our bodies. This is never good.
I don't care if he has small eyes or how he behaves in his personal life. He is sharing his experiences and his personal philosophy with the people. I think people with ego death experiences can relate to the material and make much more sense of everything hes talking about if not more. I don't think hes been that far. I think he got a good taste and hes intelligent enough to connect some of the dots.
I wish we could get him to eat some mushrooms
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: jivJaN]
#14141376 - 03/18/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Haha, perhaps he has? Or does he personally oppose the ingestion of drugs?
Look, I probably should give him a chance... I have a tendency to immediately feel particularly dubious of someone that is spoken about idolistically.. even those that I hold as personal idols. As soon as someone starts talking about how great they are, I try to bring up theories of theirs I disagree with and discuss. People take it as if I completely disagree with that person in all entirity, and then debate turns to argument.
But, I am not paying for his goddamn book. I'll get it free somehow. Oh wait.. the g/f has it. Bingo. Reading McWilliam's Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do first though, and got a few more things to read.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14141498 - 03/18/11 03:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ZenXi6 said: Haha, perhaps he has?
He said he tried LSD
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14141577 - 03/18/11 04:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ZenXi6 said: ...and then debate turns to argument.
Debates are nothing but exchanges of arguments and corresponding rebuttals.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14141598 - 03/18/11 04:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I haven't read any of his books. If you want to get an idea of what hes really about without putting too much time into it check out his lecture called : The deepest truth in human existence
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: jivJaN]
#14141622 - 03/18/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Destroying things...
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14141892 - 03/18/11 07:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know too much about Eckhart Tolle to be able to make any judgments.
Besides, whatever it is that you see in life, isn't always as it appears to be, so why give into judgement? Just let things be. He is helping other people relieve suffering through his condensed version of mixed ancient religious texts.
Yea he's selling it, because that is what you do if you want to make a living and be recognized by the masses in today's society.
Cmon' Small eyes? never trust a man with small eyes? LOL
I would suspend judgement, because most things that you see in life that you don't like are just reflections of your self that you despise.


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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14141898 - 03/18/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool?
It's just you. And the few that agree with you too.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14142079 - 03/18/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously...
It takes a lot to write and publish a book. I read a lot, and his book has a unique property. Tolle's skillful use of words brings me to the Present in a way that improves on BE HERE NOW (by comparison), because it doesn't require psychedelics to work. BE HERE NOW was my 'bible,' for years before the Bible became my Bible, and continued to work as my 'bible' even after I disbanded my use of The Holy Bible - if you know what I mean. But BE HERE NOW always worked best while I was high on acid, perhaps because that was the level that I originally imprinted the book on.
Any way, Tolle exists in a capitalistic society, not a socialist society, and good work is worth something. I was not, and will not pay $450 to sit with Tolle at some New Age convention, but The Power of Now, and A New Earth are very useful books to a much wider audience than a BE HERE NOW could have reached. I'm sure that those two books outsold in one decade what BE HERE NOW sold in 4 decades.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I like the way Be Here Now was done better, I read that book while sober and it was every bit as much of an energy bomb on my spiritual progress as a psychedelic experience.
@ OP: I just don't like judging spiritual figures like Tolle the same way you'd judge a professor for his views. I've never gotten into him and I feel no spiritual attraction towards him, but there's no need to call him a tool, you shouldn't be evaluating him on that level. That could so easily be him reflecting traits right back at you.
Also, this isn't academia, his teachings don't have to be new. What really matters is his ability to bring people towards their being and awaken them. I've never seen anybody better than Mooji at that but Tolle surely has his place in many people's lives.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: g00ru]
#14142215 - 03/18/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Judging a person based on physical appearance tells me you could benefit from hearing some of his teachings. Sure all of what he has to say has been said over and over again, he just packages it different and has a wide audience. Finding a ragged copy of his book A New Earth randomly one day was what got me to where I was now. At first I thought "What is this hippy new age bullshit?" then I read it and some of what he said really clicked with me. After that I started exploring different paths and authors and found my way. He must be out there helping people ease their suffering, so I see no wrong with that. And don't judge a book by its cover.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: JohnnyZampano]
#14142218 - 03/18/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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amen
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14142220 - 03/18/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ZenXi6 said: Seriously...
Yeah, he has some ideas... that pretty much all of us have, and that people have had for decades.. centuries... millenia.
Yet, he speaks slowly, as if it's some new concept, speaks about it as if it's all new... and sells it all at a schmiko, well branded, well marketed PRICE!
I can't help but feel that this is exactly where we go wrong with things... from good idea to dogma, from individual to idol, from sharing to profiteering. It creates hierarchy.
and he has small eyes. don't trust a man with small eyes.
Eckhart Tolle
I think he is probably just re-wording and converting the words he's read into a poetic yet confusing form.
Just IMO.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: teknix]
#14142507 - 03/18/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: The Whale]
#14142700 - 03/18/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I even heard Ken Wilber talking smack about Tolle recently, basically saying how a real spiritual teacher isn't gonna be on Oprah, it's funny how spiritual teachers teach to not judge anyone then they go ahead & judge other spiritual teachers. Shit, did i just do it aswell!?
I sometimes think that the only people who can still annoy an enlightened master is another enlightened master. Makes sense.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14143039 - 03/18/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ZenXi6 said: Seriously...
Yeah, he has some ideas... that pretty much all of us have, and that people have had for decades.. centuries... millenia.
Yet, he speaks slowly, as if it's some new concept, speaks about it as if it's all new... and sells it all at a schmiko, well branded, well marketed PRICE!
I can't help but feel that this is exactly where we go wrong with things... from good idea to dogma, from individual to idol, from sharing to profiteering. It creates hierarchy.
and he has small eyes. don't trust a man with small eyes.
Eckhart Tolle
Bingo! Each generation has their crop of guru's that they worship. Yet they aren't saying anything the old guru didn't. I say go with the first guru and forget the one's you have to pay to see.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Icelander]
#14143061 - 03/18/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What if meeting one in the flesh is kinda the point of it? 
Im not saying that's the point for everyone, but for a lot of people it is. It's about surrender & you either gotta be very humble & or very stupid to surrender to another human being (depending on who that human is)
I do agree that you should just look to see all these guys are saying essentially the same thing, and to focus on that rather than nitpicking about the teachers themselves.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Chronic7]
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ken wilber is getting older and the shit he is saying is much...less good 
i think he's somebody who really should've stayed out of the public eye. By his own admission he does still have "shadow" elements, and i get the sense he's up in his head quite a bit. Still a very wise being though, and some of his older videos where he's really in it are terrific. But yeah, he's very into the whole "constructive criticism" thing
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: g00ru]
#14143515 - 03/18/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In how many new ways can one describe the timeless? And to what effect can one speak to eternal space? Are the monks who chant and pray to an empty room any different from the show man who clacks at a full house? Is it an evolving balance we must maintain and practice or more simply a diversity arising out of the ineffable?
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Chronic7]
#14143686 - 03/18/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: What if meeting one in the flesh is kinda the point of it? 
Im not saying that's the point for everyone, but for a lot of people it is. It's about surrender & you either gotta be very humble & or very stupid to surrender to another human being (depending on who that human is)
I do agree that you should just look to see all these guys are saying essentially the same thing, and to focus on that rather than nitpicking about the teachers themselves.
I met Ram Dass in the flesh. Not impressed.
or very stupid
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Icelander]
#14144015 - 03/18/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Icelander,
Can you put into words what would impress you? What qualities would someone have to have to pass your sniff test?
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Cups]
#14144085 - 03/18/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: foliocb]
#14144124 - 03/18/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck heroes anyway. Find someone to worship within yourself.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: circastes]
#14144132 - 03/18/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just how many people you got in there circastes?
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: ZenXi6]
#14144572 - 03/18/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eckert Tolle always bring to my mind the following passage from The Restaurant at the End of the Universe by Douglas Adams
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Ford's technique seemed to consist mainly of standing still for a while and smiling. After a while an animal - a deer perhaps - would appear from out of the trees and watch him cautiously. Ford would continue to smile at it, his eyes would soften and shine, and he would seem to radiate a deep and universal love, a love which reached out to embrace all of creation. A wonderful quietness would descend on the surrounding countryside, peaceful and serene, emanating from this transfigured man. Slowly the deer would approach, step by step, until it was almost nuzzling him, whereupon Ford Prefect would reach out to it and break its neck. "Pheromone control," he said it was, "you just have to know how to generate the right smell."
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Cups]
#14144590 - 03/18/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can you put into words what would impress you? What qualities would someone have to have to pass your sniff test?
Well they'd have to be like Don Juan from the Castaneda books.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14144733 - 03/18/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said: Cmon' Small eyes? never trust a man with small eyes? LOL

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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Icelander]
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Cups said: Hey Icelander,
Can you put into words what would impress you? What qualities would someone have to have to pass your sniff test?
Well they'd have to be like Don Juan from the Castaneda books.
thats retarded nobody is gonna try to impress you, unless you are actually in some crazy desert situation. Your reaction to Ram Das is dissapointing to say tha least
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: g00ru]
#14145047 - 03/18/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No your reaction to Ram Dass is disappointing to say the least.
I have friends that make no special claims about themselves that do impress me a lot from time to time.
You seem confused.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: No your reaction to Ram Dass is disappointing to say the least.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: No your reaction to Ram Dass is disappointing to say the least.
I have friends that make no special claims about themselves that do impress me a lot from time to time.
You seem confused.

i am confused but not about Ram Das
you're judging him mad unfairly
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: g00ru]
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And how pray tell would you know if I was judging him unfairly?
I never mentioned how I judged him. Seems like you are biased in his favor. Have you ever even met him?
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: deff]
#14145225 - 03/18/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You need to get off the sauce.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Cups] 1
#14145297 - 03/18/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cups said: Just how many people you got in there circastes? 
It's an army by now.
Sometimes it takes over and I lash out at trees.
I end up with shifted knuckles and green shit all over my face, spitting out a leaf just as Community Mental Health rolls by and I have to call in alien air support.
Fucking trees...
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Chronic7]
#14145305 - 03/18/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: I even heard Ken Wilber talking smack about Tolle recently, basically saying how a real spiritual teacher isn't gonna be on Oprah, it's funny how spiritual teachers teach to not judge anyone then they go ahead & judge other spiritual teachers. Shit, did i just do it aswell!?
I sometimes think that the only people who can still annoy an enlightened master is another enlightened master. Makes sense.
That's rich! My Lady thinks (and I concur) that Wilber is just envious because Tolle is so much more widely read by all kinds of people. I think Wilber has a lot to offer intellectually, but his ego is as big as Montana, and while I see him as being intellectually enlightened, I do not see him as being spiritually enlightened. Moreover, that groovy LED EEG machine in his video, where he claims to go into some modified Nirvikalpa samadhi - voluntarily - is less than believable. Humility is a hallmark of spiritual maturity, not showmanship or envy.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#14145398 - 03/18/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude I have watched maybe 5 videos from him...I get nothing.
I don't get much from Tolle either...but he knows what to say and how to say it.
Honestly the only guy I've spent hours listening to is McKenna. He has a calm humility about him to match any of these other guys.
I'd like to see his brain on an EEG machine.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: circastes]
#14145409 - 03/18/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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circastes said:
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Cups said: Just how many people you got in there circastes? 
It's an army by now.
Sometimes it takes over and I lash out at trees.
I end up with shifted knuckles and green shit all over my face, spitting out a leaf just as Community Mental Health rolls by and I have to call in alien air support.
Fucking trees...


I almost believe every bit of that. You crazy bastard. 
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: circastes]
#14146109 - 03/18/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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circastes said:
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Cups said: Just how many people you got in there circastes? 
It's an army by now.
Sometimes it takes over and I lash out at trees.
I end up with shifted knuckles and green shit all over my face, spitting out a leaf just as Community Mental Health rolls by and I have to call in alien air support.
Fucking trees...

They almost get to you too bro? Argh lol.
Army.....
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: lolwut]
#14146891 - 03/19/11 02:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: Cups]
#14148266 - 03/19/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tolle seem to be talking about the Rigpa, as the description runs in Vajrayana Buddhism. It is the substratum of existence, the Void whence all form originates. Of course, calling it 'Being' works for me, as I am re-organizing all the Eastern concepts into Western concepts for a more global, twin hemispheric mentality, both in the sense of world, and brain. Besides, of all the Christian theologians I have ever read, Paul Tillich's book The Eternal Now has perhaps ben the best modern rendering of Christian theology since Meister Eckart, and Tillich was the guy who popularized the expression, "the Ground of Being."
Tolle does bring me to the Present when reading The Power of Now, and Wilber does extend the field of human development beyond the usual cut off at normal ego development into old age. He extends the field into transpersonal domains, employing Yogic and Buddhistic categories. I greatly appreciate this because human development was my major (minoring in clinical psychology) for the Ph.D. degree. I ordinarily use the normal and abnormal psych on my job, but the transpersonal stuff for my own development, which includes Hindu and Buddhist Yogas.
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#14148359 - 03/19/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Eckhart's eyes are more symmetrical than that other guy. The other guy's right eye is definitely out of balance. A lazy eye perhaps? :lazy:
Eckhart seems more genuinely happy in that picture than the other guy too. 
Either way, I don't like attempting to decipher who a person is, or how they feel, other than myself. And it's not even really necessary for me to know who I am, because I am simply me, and I feel how I feel right now, and right now I 

A friend once told me: "Usually people who use the word tool are tools..." -- LOL he said that to me, cuz I was saying how much of a tool somebody was. And he was right. I was a tool, but I was young then and a drunken naive SOB 

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MarkostheGnostic said:Humility is a hallmark of spiritual maturity, not showmanship or envy.
This multiplied by infinity.
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What honor can there be without humility? What heights can be reached without being low?
The pieces of a chariot are useless unless they work in accordance with the whole A man's life brings nothing unless he lives in accordance with the whole universe Playing one's part in accordance with the universe is true humility
So whether you're a gem in the royal court or a stone on the common path If you accept your part with humility the glory of the universe will be yours
Lao Tzu
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Re: Is it just me, or is Eckhart Tolle kinda a tool? [Re: I AM SWIM] 1
#14148399 - 03/19/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lao Tzu was a tool.
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